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    • ObsolesceO
      Obsolesce @DustinB3403
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      @DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

      @Obsolesce Done slobbering on Mr. Gates?

      In this specific case it's the product I like, because it was great, not the company or the people behind it.

      I made and make zero money from it...

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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        @Obsolesce said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

        @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

        Hi,
        I'm looking for a backup solution and wanted to check what are the options for 2019?
        We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.

        Best? SCDPM without any other considerations.

        Does that work without Hyper-V or Windows? If not, were they mentioned? I didn't see any platform information at all.

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          justin867
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          I have around 12 VM's for DBs, File Servers, DCs, Apps, Media. Retention - 30 days. I'm hoping to get an appliance that can also use to backup online if needed.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @justin867
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            @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

            We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.

            Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.

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              justin867 @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

              @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

              We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.

              Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.

              All M$ servers

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @justin867
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                @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                I have around 12 VM's for DBs, File Servers, DCs, Apps, Media. Retention - 30 days. I'm hoping to get an appliance that can also use to backup online if needed.

                Appliance approach is fine, but still requires agents. It's the software that matters. What hypervisor and OSes are these things? Also, no backup software or hardware can blindly back up just anything. DBs especially cannot be ignored, they have to be addressed at the application layer.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @justin867
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                  @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                  @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                  We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.

                  Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.

                  All M$ servers

                  Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.

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                    justin867 @scottalanmiller
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                    @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                    @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                    I have around 12 VM's for DBs, File Servers, DCs, Apps, Media. Retention - 30 days. I'm hoping to get an appliance that can also use to backup online if needed.

                    Appliance approach is fine, but still requires agents. It's the software that matters. What hypervisor and OSes are these things? Also, no backup software or hardware can blindly back up just anything. DBs especially cannot be ignored, they have to be addressed at the application layer.

                    ESX

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @justin867
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                      @justin867 what databases? We need ALL the info. Backups are not a blind process. You have to know every piece of what is being backed up. We actually had a session on this at MangoCon as to why this is.

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                        justin867 @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                        @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                        @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                        We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.

                        Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.

                        All M$ servers

                        Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.

                        We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.

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                        • DustinB3403D
                          DustinB3403 @justin867
                          last edited by

                          @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                          @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                          @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                          We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.

                          Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.

                          All M$ servers

                          Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.

                          We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.

                          No, really?! You want to back up your stuff in case the building burns down. Who would've guessed.

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                            marcinozga @justin867
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                            @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                            @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                            @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                            We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.

                            Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.

                            All M$ servers

                            Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.

                            We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.

                            You want to backup, just like humans want to drink water, it's essential to business survival, that's all the reason you need.

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                              justin867 @marcinozga
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                              @marcinozga said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                              @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                              @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                              @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                              We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.

                              Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.

                              All M$ servers

                              Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.

                              We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.

                              You want to backup, just like humans want to drink water, it's essential to business survival, that's all the reason you need.

                              Yeap, the audit will kill me if i dont have decent backup in this day and age. lol. also, its an assurance for a good night sleep.

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403
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                                I say you should have a program that opens every file, database and table and takes a picture of everything. Those pictures get printed out to a nearby printer and a carrier pigeon flies that image to your head off.

                                Problem solved, you can rebuild with printed pictures, no?

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @justin867
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                                  @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                  @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                  @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                  We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.

                                  Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.

                                  All M$ servers

                                  Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.

                                  We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.

                                  Exactly, so to protect against a crash, you need a true backup, not a "crash consistent" backup. Crash consistent is all backup software by itself will address, and that does absolutely nothing to protect you from a crash, literally nothing. Because it restores as if you had just crashed. I'm asking these questions specifically so that we can talk about your options to protect against a crash.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @justin867
                                    last edited by

                                    @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                    @marcinozga said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                    @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                    @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                    @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                    We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.

                                    Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.

                                    All M$ servers

                                    Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.

                                    We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.

                                    You want to backup, just like humans want to drink water, it's essential to business survival, that's all the reason you need.

                                    Yeap, the audit will kill me if i dont have decent backup in this day and age. lol. also, its an assurance for a good night sleep.

                                    Exactly. We understand that. But we can't even start to discuss how to take a backup if we don't know what the backup possibilities are.

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                                    • DustinB3403D
                                      DustinB3403
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                                      So a windows environment on ESX (not ESXi?) that needs 2-3TB of backup capabilities that offer local and remote storage repositories for backups.

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                                        justin867 @scottalanmiller
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                                        @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                        @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                        @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                        @justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                        We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.

                                        Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.

                                        All M$ servers

                                        Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.

                                        We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.

                                        Exactly, so to protect against a crash, you need a true backup, not a "crash consistent" backup. Crash consistent is all backup software by itself will address, and that does absolutely nothing to protect you from a crash, literally nothing. Because it restores as if you had just crashed. I'm asking these questions specifically so that we can talk about your options to protect against a crash.

                                        Hmmm Sometime the company system will have a database corruption and we will need to restore from the last working backup. That should not be complicated.

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403
                                          last edited by DustinB3403

                                          @justin867 why are you being an ask-hole?

                                          Provide answers to the questions we've asked you, or don't ask a question at all. We can't possibly give an answer to what is the "Best Backup solution of 2019" without understanding the entire picture.

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                                            justin867 @DustinB3403
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                                            @DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:

                                            So a windows environment on ESX (not ESXi?) that needs 2-3TB of backup capabilities that offer local and remote storage repositories for backups.

                                            correction ESXi

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