Best Backup Solution for 2019
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@JaredBusch said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@Obsolesce said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Hi,
I'm looking for a backup solution and wanted to check what are the options for 2019?
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.Best? SCDPM without any other considerations.
That's a speculative answer at best.
As if, you know System Center is the answer to everything.
Doh I forgot, M$ is the answer to everything.
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Why would you want to backup File Server VM ? you mean you want to take BU of the files? cause you can make the file server install in like 5 mins, but you cant make the files back.
If so use 7z.exe command line on Windows or Tar and rsync on Linux and rclone for cloud.
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@Emad-R said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Why would you want to backup File Server VM ? you mean you want to take BU of the files? cause you can make the file server install in like 5 mins, but you cant make the files back.
If so use 7z.exe command line on Windows or Tar and rsync on Linux and rclone for cloud.
I don't think he cares so much about the host environment as much as he cares about the files themselves, but it isn't our decision to make that assessment in either case.
He may have extremely complex ACLs that he would want to avoid recreating, among other possibilities.
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@Emad-R probably because at that size it doesn't matter if you're backing up just files or entire VM, the difference is probably within 2-3%. And restoring entire VM is much simpler task than installing new server, configuring it, and restoring TBs of files.
I'd like to see a Windows server that installs in 5 minutes. With Linux and configuration management tools you might be able to get it running in such a short amount of time, but if he runs Windows, forget about 5 mins, 50 is more likely.
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@marcinozga said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@Emad-R probably because at that size it doesn't matter if you're backing up just files or entire VM, the difference is probably within 2-3%. And restoring entire VM is much simpler task than installing new server, configuring it, and restoring TBs of files.
I'd like to see a Windows server that installs in 5 minutes. With Linux and configuration management tools you might be able to get it running in such a short amount of time, but if he runs Windows, forget about 5 mins, 50 is more likely.
Just patching Windows Server would take at least 50 minutes, ignoring just installing Windows.
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But yeah, at 2-3TB of files, you're looking at maybe 100GB for a Windows Server C partition. Hardly worth not including that and having that restore path as an option.
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@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
So what we know* at this point is this.
File Servers with 2-3TB of storage, hosted as Virtual Machines, requiring both onsite and remote backup support. With a backup schedule of daily.
That still isn't a lot to go on but at least allows people to give you options of software.
What are you using today, and are there any pain points from it?
Right, and with only that info, SCDPM does it best. That's from experience. But as said, that's without any other considerations taken.
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@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@JaredBusch said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@Obsolesce said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Hi,
I'm looking for a backup solution and wanted to check what are the options for 2019?
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.Best? SCDPM without any other considerations.
That's a speculative answer at best.
As if, you know System Center is the answer to everything.
Doh I forgot, M$ is the answer to everything.
There is simply not a better more efficient, easy to restore solution I have tested. I tried all the big hitters, and the major FOSS solutions, in a crazy environment. It just works. I could back up a 20TB server every 15 minutes without breaking a sweat and barely using any space. File level browsing of any backup, insanely quick restores of files, shares, servers, VMs. All the sweet stuff, yes even including tape and cloud backups and restore aspects. There's just way too much to be said about it and I'm not even denting it.
The issue is cost and expertise in doing it correctly. Other than that it by far blows everything else straight out of the water.
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@Obsolesce Done slobbering on Mr. Gates?
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@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@Obsolesce Done slobbering on Mr. Gates?
In this specific case it's the product I like, because it was great, not the company or the people behind it.
I made and make zero money from it...
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@Obsolesce said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Hi,
I'm looking for a backup solution and wanted to check what are the options for 2019?
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.Best? SCDPM without any other considerations.
Does that work without Hyper-V or Windows? If not, were they mentioned? I didn't see any platform information at all.
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I have around 12 VM's for DBs, File Servers, DCs, Apps, Media. Retention - 30 days. I'm hoping to get an appliance that can also use to backup online if needed.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
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@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
I have around 12 VM's for DBs, File Servers, DCs, Apps, Media. Retention - 30 days. I'm hoping to get an appliance that can also use to backup online if needed.
Appliance approach is fine, but still requires agents. It's the software that matters. What hypervisor and OSes are these things? Also, no backup software or hardware can blindly back up just anything. DBs especially cannot be ignored, they have to be addressed at the application layer.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.
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@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
I have around 12 VM's for DBs, File Servers, DCs, Apps, Media. Retention - 30 days. I'm hoping to get an appliance that can also use to backup online if needed.
Appliance approach is fine, but still requires agents. It's the software that matters. What hypervisor and OSes are these things? Also, no backup software or hardware can blindly back up just anything. DBs especially cannot be ignored, they have to be addressed at the application layer.
ESX
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@justin867 what databases? We need ALL the info. Backups are not a blind process. You have to know every piece of what is being backed up. We actually had a session on this at MangoCon as to why this is.
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@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.
We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.
We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.
No, really?! You want to back up your stuff in case the building burns down. Who would've guessed.
