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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403
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      The Synology units I don't think I'd trust at this scale, granted this is for backup. But do you really want to drop ~$20,000 on hardware and not be 100% certain it'll work?

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @Jimmy9008
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        @Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

        Something like this for drive? https://www.ebuyer.com/858387-seagate-ironwolf-14tb-nas-hard-drive-3-5-sata-iii-6gb-s-7200rpm-256mb-st14000vn0008?mkwid=s_dc&pcrid=51482414339&pkw=&pmt=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_fzYgvfm4QIVSFXTCh2fVQ0WEAQYASABEgI8ZPD_BwE

        That's a Seagate and the guys a Bad Hard Drive Utah will tell you, their failure rates are atrocious.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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          @DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

          The Synology units I don't think I'd trust at this scale, granted this is for backup. But do you really want to drop ~$20,000 on hardware and not be 100% certain it'll work?

          Yeah, support would decrease and cost would blossom. The cost premium for a Synology at that scale would make no sense. All Synology does for you is do the Linux install and give you a web GUI. But Fedora has Cockpit already. So what are you gaining?

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            Jimmy9008 @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid/limits?:

            And obviously you need to run Linux on this. Fedora, Ubuntu, CentOS, Debian, Suse. You need MD RAID for protection, and a really good filesystem that can handle the size, XFS most likely.

            ZFS and BtrFS will work, too.

            Not sure if this matters, but the target will be used by Windows Servers... would that make a difference here?

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Jimmy9008
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              @Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

              Not sure if this matters, but the target will be used by Windows Servers... would that make a difference here?

              No, Windows just isn't up to the job. That the backups will talk over SMB is not really a factor, Synology is Linux, too. All enterprise storage options are Linux based (or BSD based) and use Samba as their interface layer. So it's really the only possibility.

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                Jimmy9008 @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid/limits?:

                @Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                Not sure if this matters, but the target will be used by Windows Servers... would that make a difference here?

                No, Windows just isn't up to the job. That the backups will talk over SMB is not really a factor, Synology is Linux, too. All enterprise storage options are Linux based (or BSD based) and use Samba as their interface layer. So it's really the only possibility.

                Thats fine. I meant for the clients backing up to this target. They are Windows.

                I'll take a look at SuperMicro and Huawei drives, and see what PCM say if I cant figure it out.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Jimmy9008
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                  @Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                  I'll take a look at SuperMicro and Huawei drives,

                  Chassis.

                  Only WD makes drives for you.

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                    Jimmy9008
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                    Yep, i forgot the ',' lol

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller
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                      This is one of your few possible drives...

                      https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/data-center-drives/ultrastar-dc-hc500-series/data-sheet-ultrastar-dc-hc530.pdf

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                        Jimmy9008
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                        Something like: SC847E16-R1K28LPB on SuperMicro?

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller
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                          This is another drive that you could consider. 15TB optimized for sequential workloads.

                          https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/data-center-drives/ultrastar-dc-hc600-series/data-sheet-ultrastar-dc-hc620.pdf

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Jimmy9008
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                            @Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                            SC847E16-R1K28LPB

                            Yes, that's definitely an option.

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                              Jimmy9008 @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid/limits?:

                              @Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                              SC847E16-R1K28LPB

                              Yes, that's definitely an option.

                              Ok, i'll look in to that.

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403
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                                I still very much doubt that you'll be able to get that much hardware for your price point.

                                Even with Supermicro being a great contender here, your disks cost is going to be sky high.

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                                • DustinB3403D
                                  DustinB3403
                                  last edited by DustinB3403

                                  Drives alone for this are going to cost you (assuming amazon prices - not VAT) $11,279.76.

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                                    Jimmy9008 @DustinB3403
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                                    @DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid/limits?:

                                    Drives alone for this are going to cost you (assuming amazon prices - not VAT) $6,325.

                                    Just had a look now:

                                    24 * DC HC530 inc VAT = £12,503.53
                                    1 x SC847E16-R1K28LPB inc VAT = £1,655.99

                                    Total: £14,159.52

                                    Just need to configure it in house.

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                                    • DustinB3403D
                                      DustinB3403 @Jimmy9008
                                      last edited by DustinB3403

                                      @Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                      SC847E16-R1K28LPB

                                      CPU, RAM, Power supplies, motherboard?

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                                        Jimmy9008 @DustinB3403
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                                        @DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                        @Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                        SC847E16-R1K28LPB

                                        CPU, RAM, Power supplies, motherboard?

                                        I assumed that is already within the device?

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @Jimmy9008
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                                          @Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                          @DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                          @Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                          SC847E16-R1K28LPB

                                          CPU, RAM, Power supplies, motherboard?

                                          I assumed that is already within the device?

                                          You would have specs if so. What you linked looked only like the chassis.

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                                          • DustinB3403D
                                            DustinB3403 @Jimmy9008
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                                            @Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                            @DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                            @Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                            SC847E16-R1K28LPB

                                            CPU, RAM, Power supplies, motherboard?

                                            I assumed that is already within the device?

                                            Chassis is just the chassis. . . not the guts.

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