Using Vultr for FreePBX 13
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@JaredBusch said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@Emad-R said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
Hi,
Did you also notice that v14 is super slow compared to v13 ?
It assuredly is not. I use it daily. I do not use 13 daily any more, but when I did have active clients on both versions, I never had noticeably different speeds in the GUI.
We still have one client that won't upgrade (they make lots of excuses) and we don't notice a difference either.
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@prabbide said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@JaredBusch Yep. tftp is not optimal for security reasons. Nevertheless, it actually does not seem to work in a hosted freepbx environment and I can't figure out (yet) why. I've turned off the IPFW (yes, I know...this is a test box). I've set the xinet service tftp to verbose logging and tracked the activity. The tftp client successfully talks with the server, requests files, but eventually times out with no data transmitted). I've set my local firewall wide open for the IP address. I'm able to tftp locally from another known good remote tftp server. I've checked the freepbx forums (there are similar complaints about tftp, but those are not on a hosted server and tend to be user error). Was hoping you had run across this issue and made it work (even though it's not recommended). Thanks for your feedback.
You sure Vultr firewall isn't blocking TFTP?
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@Dashrender said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@prabbide said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@JaredBusch Yep. tftp is not optimal for security reasons. Nevertheless, it actually does not seem to work in a hosted freepbx environment and I can't figure out (yet) why. I've turned off the IPFW (yes, I know...this is a test box). I've set the xinet service tftp to verbose logging and tracked the activity. The tftp client successfully talks with the server, requests files, but eventually times out with no data transmitted). I've set my local firewall wide open for the IP address. I'm able to tftp locally from another known good remote tftp server. I've checked the freepbx forums (there are similar complaints about tftp, but those are not on a hosted server and tend to be user error). Was hoping you had run across this issue and made it work (even though it's not recommended). Thanks for your feedback.
You sure Vultr firewall isn't blocking TFTP?
Vultr doesn't have a firewall unless you make one.
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@JaredBusch said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@Dashrender said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@prabbide said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@JaredBusch Yep. tftp is not optimal for security reasons. Nevertheless, it actually does not seem to work in a hosted freepbx environment and I can't figure out (yet) why. I've turned off the IPFW (yes, I know...this is a test box). I've set the xinet service tftp to verbose logging and tracked the activity. The tftp client successfully talks with the server, requests files, but eventually times out with no data transmitted). I've set my local firewall wide open for the IP address. I'm able to tftp locally from another known good remote tftp server. I've checked the freepbx forums (there are similar complaints about tftp, but those are not on a hosted server and tend to be user error). Was hoping you had run across this issue and made it work (even though it's not recommended). Thanks for your feedback.
You sure Vultr firewall isn't blocking TFTP?
Vultr doesn't have a firewall unless you make one.
I mean it is possible they could. Let me test.Lots of people put one in by default and don't even think about it.
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My setup with FreePBX 14 on Vultr.
- There is no firewall on Vultr blocking anything.
- My home network is marked trusted in the FreePBX responsive firewall.
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tftpprotocal is allowed in the FreePBX firewall to local connections.
I can connect to from my desktop with
tftpbut I cannot download anything.
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@JaredBusch said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
My setup with FreePBX 14 on Vultr.
- There is no firewall on Vultr blocking anything.
- My home network is marked trusted in the FreePBX responsive firewall.
- The
tftpprotocal is allowed in the FreePBX firewall to local connections.
I can connect to from my desktop with
tftpbut I cannot download anything.
right - so why not?
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@Dashrender said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@JaredBusch said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
My setup with FreePBX 14 on Vultr.
- There is no firewall on Vultr blocking anything.
- My home network is marked trusted in the FreePBX responsive firewall.
- The
tftpprotocal is allowed in the FreePBX firewall to local connections.
I can connect to from my desktop with
tftpbut I cannot download anything.
right - so why not?
Don't know and don't honestly care. As I said before. Don't use TFTP on the public internet.
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I wonder if TFTP default bindings are LAN only.
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@scottalanmiller said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
I wonder if TFTP default bindings are LAN only.
/shrug
It let me connect.
Note: it also does not work on my ZeroTier address.
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@JaredBusch said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@scottalanmiller said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
I wonder if TFTP default bindings are LAN only.
/shrug
It let me connect.
Note: it also does not work on my ZeroTier address.
Now that is weird!
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@JaredBusch said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
My setup with FreePBX 14 on Vultr.
- There is no firewall on Vultr blocking anything.
- My home network is marked trusted in the FreePBX responsive firewall.
- The
tftpprotocal is allowed in the FreePBX firewall to local connections.
I can connect to from my desktop with
tftpbut I cannot download anything.
Exactly my problem. But I concluded the same thing. Who cares? I do have a small reason to care, but I've got a workaround and moved on to other topics. Thanks for your 2 cents! Glad it wasn't just me.
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@JaredBusch said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
I like Vultr's stat page.
Here is the network usage of a PBX with ~80 extensions (all pjsip, if that matters) and 15 simultaneous calls at peak.What is the specs of your vultr instance with that usage, ~80 extensions and 15 simultaneous calls at peak.
Also, do you have some formula on how to decide what to get instance base on extension and simultaneous calls ?
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@jasonraymundo31 said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
What is the specs of your vultr instance with that usage, ~80 extensions and 15 simultaneous calls at peak.
Bottom line is that the $5 instance is as small as you can go. You need the 1GB of RAM. If they offered a 900MB option, sure that might work. But the 512MB option will not. So you can't go smaller than the $5 option on the low end, don't try. You'll be swapping and things will get bad, fast, if it will even run.
That said, you could handle hundreds of extensions and way more than 15 calls on that $5 1 vCPU / 1GB RAM option. We use that and we do closer to 30 simultaneous and it doesn't break a sweat. And we don't use g711 either, so we are working it harder than normal users.
You would need a LOT of calls or special usage to make you need a larger VM. We have no customers going larger based on RAM or CPU needs, only on storage needs (we have customers doing huge amount of call recordings or voicemails and just need more space.)
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@scottalanmiller said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
And we don't use g711 either, so we are working it harder than normal users.
Actually 722 doens't use anything in resources jsut like 711. It is all about being on the same codec for the entire call path.
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@scottalanmiller said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
Bottom line is that the $5 instance is as small as you can go. You need the 1GB of RAM.
Also, you can scale an instance to a larger plan if needed.
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@JaredBusch said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@scottalanmiller said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
And we don't use g711 either, so we are working it harder than normal users.
Actually 722 doens't use anything in resources jsut like 711. It is all about being on the same codec for the entire call path.
If you have it on the full path and don't transcode. We don't. We have Opus where we can and G722 where we can't, so we are transcoding regularly.
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@JaredBusch said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@scottalanmiller said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
Bottom line is that the $5 instance is as small as you can go. You need the 1GB of RAM.
Also, you can scale an instance to a larger plan if needed.
Yes, good point. Start small and only grow if you measure and find a need later.
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@scottalanmiller said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@JaredBusch said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@scottalanmiller said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
And we don't use g711 either, so we are working it harder than normal users.
Actually 722 doens't use anything in resources jsut like 711. It is all about being on the same codec for the entire call path.
If you have it on the full path and don't transcode. We don't. We have Opus where we can and G722 where we can't, so we are transcoding regularly.
Why are you using OPUS?
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@JaredBusch said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@scottalanmiller said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@JaredBusch said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@scottalanmiller said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
And we don't use g711 either, so we are working it harder than normal users.
Actually 722 doens't use anything in resources jsut like 711. It is all about being on the same codec for the entire call path.
If you have it on the full path and don't transcode. We don't. We have Opus where we can and G722 where we can't, so we are transcoding regularly.
Why are you using OPUS?
Adaptable call quality. We notice a huge quality improvement on it. The sound is incredible and when call path degrades it adapts and can hold call quality better than g711 even on flaky connections. We notice a very big overall improvement with it. Plus it uses less bandwidth so offers HQ audio on some pretty tiny connections, but that's a rare need.
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@scottalanmiller said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@JaredBusch said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@scottalanmiller said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@JaredBusch said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
@scottalanmiller said in Using Vultr for FreePBX 13:
And we don't use g711 either, so we are working it harder than normal users.
Actually 722 doens't use anything in resources jsut like 711. It is all about being on the same codec for the entire call path.
If you have it on the full path and don't transcode. We don't. We have Opus where we can and G722 where we can't, so we are transcoding regularly.
Why are you using OPUS?
Adaptable call quality.
That is the point of it, but for most PBX implementations there is no need for it. Sure for people on mobile using unknown signal strengths, but that is still al low over all percent of implementations. I know it is the standard for anything using WebRTC, which I assume SonataSuite does.
Then, what providers support OPUS? Most only support 711 and sometimes 722.
