Question about AWS
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@JaredBusch said in Question about AWS:
@bnrstnr said in Question about AWS:
Colo solves the cost of storage, but dealing with 6TB with their bad internet will still be terrible.
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Even in the US with fast fiber, accessing 6TB over the Internet with SMB is ridiculously slow. Having to do it over DSL from another country.... impossible.Having 6TB does not mean you are accessing all 6TB all of the time.
No, but even accessing it sometimes will be problematic.
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@bnrstnr said in Question about AWS:
@vhinzsanchez What does your 6TB consist of? Are users working with large folders of CAD drawings or something?
Oh that would be REALLY bad, lol.
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@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Cost of an AD Server on LightSail...
Assuming that you need a GUI and a minimum reasonable amount of RAM at 4GB (which is tiny, but should work) you are looking at $40/mo for one little VM. That is $480 a year. Over five years, that is $2,400.
Now let's price a traditional server. Assuming you already have a place to put it in your office. A good server for a workload like this might be $800. That would be way more power than the AWS VM, but you can only go so cheap. Then you need a Windows license . Assume $1200 for Windows Standard plus Software Assurance. Your total is $2,000 over five years.
Note quite - SA will cost you a renewal during that 5 years time, at least once, if not twice depending on your purchase. that's another $400, makes them the same cost.
Of course this doesn't include things like backup (not sure AWS does either) or UPS or redundant ISPs, or HVAC, etc, etc, etc.
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@Dashrender said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Cost of an AD Server on LightSail...
Assuming that you need a GUI and a minimum reasonable amount of RAM at 4GB (which is tiny, but should work) you are looking at $40/mo for one little VM. That is $480 a year. Over five years, that is $2,400.
Now let's price a traditional server. Assuming you already have a place to put it in your office. A good server for a workload like this might be $800. That would be way more power than the AWS VM, but you can only go so cheap. Then you need a Windows license . Assume $1200 for Windows Standard plus Software Assurance. Your total is $2,000 over five years.
Note quite - SA will cost you a renewal during that 5 years time, at least once, if not twice depending on your purchase. that's another $400, makes them the same cost.
You are saying that Windows 2019 + 5 years of SA is closer to $1600? That could be right.
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@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
@Dashrender said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Cost of an AD Server on LightSail...
Assuming that you need a GUI and a minimum reasonable amount of RAM at 4GB (which is tiny, but should work) you are looking at $40/mo for one little VM. That is $480 a year. Over five years, that is $2,400.
Now let's price a traditional server. Assuming you already have a place to put it in your office. A good server for a workload like this might be $800. That would be way more power than the AWS VM, but you can only go so cheap. Then you need a Windows license . Assume $1200 for Windows Standard plus Software Assurance. Your total is $2,000 over five years.
Note quite - SA will cost you a renewal during that 5 years time, at least once, if not twice depending on your purchase. that's another $400, makes them the same cost.
You are saying that Windows 2019 + 5 years of SA is closer to $1600? That could be right.
Why SA? Do you need it? Are you feeling the need for a feature it grants? Or that you will upgrade?
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@JaredBusch said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
@Dashrender said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Cost of an AD Server on LightSail...
Assuming that you need a GUI and a minimum reasonable amount of RAM at 4GB (which is tiny, but should work) you are looking at $40/mo for one little VM. That is $480 a year. Over five years, that is $2,400.
Now let's price a traditional server. Assuming you already have a place to put it in your office. A good server for a workload like this might be $800. That would be way more power than the AWS VM, but you can only go so cheap. Then you need a Windows license . Assume $1200 for Windows Standard plus Software Assurance. Your total is $2,000 over five years.
Note quite - SA will cost you a renewal during that 5 years time, at least once, if not twice depending on your purchase. that's another $400, makes them the same cost.
You are saying that Windows 2019 + 5 years of SA is closer to $1600? That could be right.
Why SA? Do you need it? Are you feeling the need for a feature it grants? Or that you will upgrade?
It's to price out upgrades that would match AWS or Azure. You COULD do without it, but it would not be a good apples to apples comparison. The flexibility to skip upgrades is a "pro" of avoiding cloud. The risk of skipping updates is also a "con" of it.
But I included it for "most similar" comparison and pricing reasons only. Had I skipped it, it would make on premises look unfairly cheap.
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@scottalanmiller Makes the right sense, just checking what the reason was.
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@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Cost of an AD Server on LightSail...
Assuming that you need a GUI and a minimum reasonable amount of RAM at 4GB (which is tiny, but should work) you are looking at $40/mo for one little VM. That is $480 a year. Over five years, that is $2,400.
Now let's price a traditional server. Assuming you already have a place to put it in your office. A good server for a workload like this might be $800. That would be way more power than the AWS VM, but you can only go so cheap. Then you need a Windows license . Assume $1200 for Windows Standard plus Software Assurance. Your total is $2,000 over five years.
That's $400 cheaper. But the on premises option is way faster, both because the VM would have way more resources, and also because the latency to your users would be a fraction of AWS' latency. And things like backups would normally be cheaper.
If you continue to six years, the gap gets much larger.
You forgot to include the SA renewal starting after year 2. Also, what about the user/device CALs?
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@wrx7m said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Also, what about the user/device CALs?You'd need the same amount of CALs no matter what, so kinda pointless to compare. Assuming I remember the licensing terms correctly.
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@travisdh1 said in Question about AWS:
@wrx7m said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Also, what about the user/device CALs?You'd need the same amount of CALs no matter what, so kinda pointless to compare. Assuming I remember the licensing terms correctly.
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@wrx7m said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Cost of an AD Server on LightSail...
Assuming that you need a GUI and a minimum reasonable amount of RAM at 4GB (which is tiny, but should work) you are looking at $40/mo for one little VM. That is $480 a year. Over five years, that is $2,400.
Now let's price a traditional server. Assuming you already have a place to put it in your office. A good server for a workload like this might be $800. That would be way more power than the AWS VM, but you can only go so cheap. Then you need a Windows license . Assume $1200 for Windows Standard plus Software Assurance. Your total is $2,000 over five years.
That's $400 cheaper. But the on premises option is way faster, both because the VM would have way more resources, and also because the latency to your users would be a fraction of AWS' latency. And things like backups would normally be cheaper.
If you continue to six years, the gap gets much larger.
You forgot to include the SA renewal starting after year 2. Also, what about the user/device CALs?
Edit-NM about the SA. I see someone else mentioned it further down the thread.Yeah, the SA is at least partially addressed.
CALs is a good point, not knowing the CAL needs it's hard to say.
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@travisdh1 said in Question about AWS:
@wrx7m said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Also, what about the user/device CALs?You'd need the same amount of CALs no matter what, so kinda pointless to compare. Assuming I remember the licensing terms correctly.
No, they actually do vary.
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@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
@travisdh1 said in Question about AWS:
@wrx7m said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Also, what about the user/device CALs?You'd need the same amount of CALs no matter what, so kinda pointless to compare. Assuming I remember the licensing terms correctly.
No, they actually do vary.
Oh great. More reasons to be disgruntled with Microsoft licensing.
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@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
@travisdh1 said in Question about AWS:
@wrx7m said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Also, what about the user/device CALs?You'd need the same amount of CALs no matter what, so kinda pointless to compare. Assuming I remember the licensing terms correctly.
No, they actually do vary.
What did I miss? Why would the CAL needs vary with the DC, etc in colo instead of on site? There is no difference.
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@JaredBusch said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
@travisdh1 said in Question about AWS:
@wrx7m said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Also, what about the user/device CALs?You'd need the same amount of CALs no matter what, so kinda pointless to compare. Assuming I remember the licensing terms correctly.
No, they actually do vary.
What did I miss? Why would the CAL needs vary with the DC, etc in colo instead of on site? There is no difference.
Cloud licensing with Windows includes CALs. On prem (and colo) you have to manage the CALs.
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@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
@JaredBusch said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
@travisdh1 said in Question about AWS:
@wrx7m said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Also, what about the user/device CALs?You'd need the same amount of CALs no matter what, so kinda pointless to compare. Assuming I remember the licensing terms correctly.
No, they actually do vary.
What did I miss? Why would the CAL needs vary with the DC, etc in colo instead of on site? There is no difference.
Cloud licensing with Windows includes CALs. On prem (and colo) you have to manage the CALs.
Putting a server on Lightsail is not cloud licensing. It is a VPS.
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@JaredBusch said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
@JaredBusch said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
@travisdh1 said in Question about AWS:
@wrx7m said in Question about AWS:
@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Also, what about the user/device CALs?You'd need the same amount of CALs no matter what, so kinda pointless to compare. Assuming I remember the licensing terms correctly.
No, they actually do vary.
What did I miss? Why would the CAL needs vary with the DC, etc in colo instead of on site? There is no difference.
Cloud licensing with Windows includes CALs. On prem (and colo) you have to manage the CALs.
Putting a server on Lightsail is not cloud licensing. It is a VPS.
The licensing necessary for any hosted environment is the same. Lightsail is VPS, yes, but also cloud on E2. The licensing is the same.
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Lightsail is still elastic capacity and has no possibility of being licensed in a traditional model.
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@scottalanmiller said in Question about AWS:
Lightsail is still elastic capacity and has no possibility of being licensed in a traditional model.
There is no Elastic capacity in Lightsail. You have to convert it away from Lightsail.
SO unless all VPS have to use that license model?
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@JaredBusch said in Question about AWS:
SO unless all VPS have to use that license model?
All VPS is elastic. All VPS is hosted. Therefore all VPS must use that model.
If you BUY the server license, you must buy the CALs.
If you RENT the server license, you must be rented the CALs.There isn't any Windows Server license with CALs that can be used by a hosting provider or on other peoples' hardware.
