I have $500 spare!
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@darrel said in I have $500 spare!:
@scottalanmiller I'm yet to find out? :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
If you've not done it, I would avoid it. I have a suspicion that you are just going to throw your money away. Remember you are in high cost Canada now, places like Upwork are really designed for the super low cost third world locations. The idea is to drive to the bottom. In Canada, you'll easily cost too much to ever find work, or earn so little that it's not worth your time.
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@JaredBusch said in I have $500 spare!:
@scottalanmiller said in I have $500 spare!:
@darrel said in I have $500 spare!:
@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
@darrel said in I have $500 spare!:
@IRJ Yep, I know right! But, with the current system of UpWork, I think this is the best way if I want to fully utilize their system. Thanks for the feedback though.
This is the difference in between plans. The basic is a free plan.
Wow looks like a racket to to me. Not sure why they have to do this since they ake a fee from actual hours worked. They probably only do this to exploit the poor and unqualified talent which is extremely prevalent on these freelance sites.
The amount of useless talent is unreal on there. I wouldn't pay, I'd just do good work to stand out. Because free and paid members still have the same ability to create proposals. If your proposal is better than everyone else's proposal then you get the job, right?
You're right! Getting that freelancer plus thing wouldn't mean that much. I'd rather invest time on creating a great and pleasing proposal. I tried browsing some projects and most of them are looking for entry levels so I think I can still land my first client fast with the basic plan.
Has anyone tried Upwork and found there to be enough money to make the time work it?
I browsed it a while back when deciding if I wanted to farm something out.
Wading through the shit took too much time. Will never look at again.
I don't like it because of the model. It is handy for really discrete, low cost, low skill projects. But those are so rare, and anything serious you can't really trust through it because you lack all of the structure of a real business relationship.
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@scottalanmiller said in I have $500 spare!:
@darrel said in I have $500 spare!:
@scottalanmiller I'm yet to find out? :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
If you've not done it, I would avoid it. I have a suspicion that you are just going to throw your money away. Remember you are in high cost Canada now, places like Upwork are really designed for the super low cost third world locations. The idea is to drive to the bottom. In Canada, you'll easily cost too much to ever find work, or earn so little that it's not worth your time.
Being located out of Canada is definitely an advantage on Upwork. The amount of horribly under-qualified people in India and Southeast Asia is unreal. Most employers on there will avoid those regions because literally 99% of them have absolutely no clue how to do basic functions let alone actual IT work. They have no issue lying to try to make any amount of money possible. You have a job that you want pay $10 in labor for, people that have no clue how to do that simple task will apply. Then they will lie to you in the application process. Then they will lie during the job, and just delay and ask for money. I have seen it on their a bunch for cheap jobs.
One of the best things you can do is keep your rate reasonably high. The higher your rate is on there, the more likely you are to obtain work. Maybe take on your first job or two at a cheap rate, but DO NOT WORK for pennies like these scam artists do. If anything it's a huge red flag
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@scottalanmiller said in I have $500 spare!:
@JaredBusch said in I have $500 spare!:
@scottalanmiller said in I have $500 spare!:
@darrel said in I have $500 spare!:
@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
@darrel said in I have $500 spare!:
@IRJ Yep, I know right! But, with the current system of UpWork, I think this is the best way if I want to fully utilize their system. Thanks for the feedback though.
This is the difference in between plans. The basic is a free plan.
Wow looks like a racket to to me. Not sure why they have to do this since they ake a fee from actual hours worked. They probably only do this to exploit the poor and unqualified talent which is extremely prevalent on these freelance sites.
The amount of useless talent is unreal on there. I wouldn't pay, I'd just do good work to stand out. Because free and paid members still have the same ability to create proposals. If your proposal is better than everyone else's proposal then you get the job, right?
You're right! Getting that freelancer plus thing wouldn't mean that much. I'd rather invest time on creating a great and pleasing proposal. I tried browsing some projects and most of them are looking for entry levels so I think I can still land my first client fast with the basic plan.
Has anyone tried Upwork and found there to be enough money to make the time work it?
I browsed it a while back when deciding if I wanted to farm something out.
Wading through the shit took too much time. Will never look at again.
I don't like it because of the model. It is handy for really discrete, low cost, low skill projects. But those are so rare, and anything serious you can't really trust through it because you lack all of the structure of a real business relationship.
It is great when you find somebody well qualified for tasks that take a few hours. It is absolutely fantastic for that.
As I explained in my post, finding actual humans beings that are worth the pennies they ask for is the difficult part. LOL
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Have I got a deal of a lifetime for you! For only $500 USD I'll sell you the most pristine dephlogisticated air. The benefits include longer life, improved hearing and sense of smell. Act now before this offer is gone forever!
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@DustinB3403 said in I have $500 spare!:
Have I got a deal of a lifetime for you! For only $500 USD I'll sell you the most pristine dephlogisticated air. The benefits include longer life, improved hearing and sense of smell. Act now before this offer is gone forever!
Why do you have to be an asshole? I think he is asking a good legitimate question. $500 isn't alot of money, but I think he is being responsible by looking to invest it. The best way to become a good investor is to start small and understand how your money can grow or shrink. At the end of the day, 10% is 10%. If he can gain 10% with $500 that is a big step in the right direction to being able to invest more money in the future.
Also putting money into your career can easily 10x or even 100x your investment in dollar amount.
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@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
@scottalanmiller said in I have $500 spare!:
@darrel said in I have $500 spare!:
@scottalanmiller I'm yet to find out? :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
If you've not done it, I would avoid it. I have a suspicion that you are just going to throw your money away. Remember you are in high cost Canada now, places like Upwork are really designed for the super low cost third world locations. The idea is to drive to the bottom. In Canada, you'll easily cost too much to ever find work, or earn so little that it's not worth your time.
Being located out of Canada is definitely an advantage on Upwork. The amount of horribly under-qualified people in India and Southeast Asia is unreal. Most employers on there will avoid those regions because literally 99% of them have absolutely no clue how to do basic functions let alone actual IT work.
Does that not cause people to just avoid Upwork rather than looking to see where people are located? I know it does to me. Knowing that the average is so bad, it makes us avoid the platform. Plus US and Canadian hiring through it comes with big potential HR risks that other countries do not. I've not looked, but does Upwork tell people where you are located?
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@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
@scottalanmiller said in I have $500 spare!:
@JaredBusch said in I have $500 spare!:
@scottalanmiller said in I have $500 spare!:
@darrel said in I have $500 spare!:
@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
@darrel said in I have $500 spare!:
@IRJ Yep, I know right! But, with the current system of UpWork, I think this is the best way if I want to fully utilize their system. Thanks for the feedback though.
This is the difference in between plans. The basic is a free plan.
Wow looks like a racket to to me. Not sure why they have to do this since they ake a fee from actual hours worked. They probably only do this to exploit the poor and unqualified talent which is extremely prevalent on these freelance sites.
The amount of useless talent is unreal on there. I wouldn't pay, I'd just do good work to stand out. Because free and paid members still have the same ability to create proposals. If your proposal is better than everyone else's proposal then you get the job, right?
You're right! Getting that freelancer plus thing wouldn't mean that much. I'd rather invest time on creating a great and pleasing proposal. I tried browsing some projects and most of them are looking for entry levels so I think I can still land my first client fast with the basic plan.
Has anyone tried Upwork and found there to be enough money to make the time work it?
I browsed it a while back when deciding if I wanted to farm something out.
Wading through the shit took too much time. Will never look at again.
I don't like it because of the model. It is handy for really discrete, low cost, low skill projects. But those are so rare, and anything serious you can't really trust through it because you lack all of the structure of a real business relationship.
It is great when you find somebody well qualified for tasks that take a few hours. It is absolutely fantastic for that.
yeah, that I get. I wonder how often that's really how it is used, or how often that comes up. Mostly like making a script or something like that?
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@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
Why do you have to be an asshole?
Because Monday
and
Because he is "wanting to purchase an entire business" for $500. That's High school level of foolishness waiting to be preyed upon.
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So for those in high cost economies, what kind of work have you seen come in, or have you hired, at what kind of rates on Upwork (or similar?) Is it bringing in real money? I realize no one is getting rich this way, but is it a good use of time?
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@scottalanmiller said in I have $500 spare!:
So for those in high cost economies, what kind of work have you seen come in, or have you hired, at what kind of rates on Upwork (or similar?) Is it bringing in real money? I realize no one is getting rich this way, but is it a good use of time?
I've done exchange or AD work and I've charged around $40-50 an hour.
To answer your other question, no it's not worth it because these clients want MSP continuous work done, but want to only pay employee type wages. In the long run, it obviously costs them more money to do this and they are worried about saving hours and saving money today vs their long term success.
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@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
To answer your other question, no it's not worth it because these clients want MSP continuous work done, but want to only pay employee type wages. In the long run, it obviously costs them more money to do this and they are worried about saving hours and saving money today vs their long term success.
But from an Upworker context, did you find that it was worth your time? Obviously Upwork has some overhead that you put in, without getting paid, whether just setting up your account or promoting yourself or whatever. Did it being in enough work to feel that your time was not being wasted once you were paid for the projects?
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@scottalanmiller said in I have $500 spare!:
@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
To answer your other question, no it's not worth it because these clients want MSP continuous work done, but want to only pay employee type wages. In the long run, it obviously costs them more money to do this and they are worried about saving hours and saving money today vs their long term success.
But from an Upworker context, did you find that it was worth your time? Obviously Upwork has some overhead that you put in, without getting paid, whether just setting up your account or promoting yourself or whatever. Did it being in enough work to feel that your time was not being wasted once you were paid for the projects?
That's a different question for everyone because people will sometimes work a second minimum wage job to make extra income. I don't do it anymore as to me it isn't worth it, but I can see it being good for some.
Do you get paid IT equivalent industry wages? Hell no
Do you have clients breathing down your neck because they don't know what they need and how to budget extra hours? Hell yeah
Do you work nearly double the actual hours creating proposals and doing research without being paid? Hell yeah
Does it beat working a few hours at a local establishment making $10-15 an hour? Hell yes
I
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@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
@scottalanmiller said in I have $500 spare!:
@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
To answer your other question, no it's not worth it because these clients want MSP continuous work done, but want to only pay employee type wages. In the long run, it obviously costs them more money to do this and they are worried about saving hours and saving money today vs their long term success.
But from an Upworker context, did you find that it was worth your time? Obviously Upwork has some overhead that you put in, without getting paid, whether just setting up your account or promoting yourself or whatever. Did it being in enough work to feel that your time was not being wasted once you were paid for the projects?
That's a different question for everyone because people will sometimes work a second minimum wage job to make extra income. I don't do it anymore as to me it isn't worth it, but I can see it being good for some.
Do you get paid IT equivalent industry wages? Hell no
Do you have clients breathing down your neck because they don't know what they need and how to budget extra hours? Hell yeah
Do you work nearly double the actual hours creating proposals and doing research without being paid? Hell yeah
Does it beat working a few hours at a local establishment making $10-15 an hour? Hell yes
I
My guess is that for IT people, that there must be better ways to make money with our skills. From what it sounds like, the per hour becomes so long that even much, much less work in some other fashion would seem to make nearly as much money, for less stress and effort, and with less risk.
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@scottalanmiller said in I have $500 spare!:
@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
@scottalanmiller said in I have $500 spare!:
@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
To answer your other question, no it's not worth it because these clients want MSP continuous work done, but want to only pay employee type wages. In the long run, it obviously costs them more money to do this and they are worried about saving hours and saving money today vs their long term success.
But from an Upworker context, did you find that it was worth your time? Obviously Upwork has some overhead that you put in, without getting paid, whether just setting up your account or promoting yourself or whatever. Did it being in enough work to feel that your time was not being wasted once you were paid for the projects?
That's a different question for everyone because people will sometimes work a second minimum wage job to make extra income. I don't do it anymore as to me it isn't worth it, but I can see it being good for some.
Do you get paid IT equivalent industry wages? Hell no
Do you have clients breathing down your neck because they don't know what they need and how to budget extra hours? Hell yeah
Do you work nearly double the actual hours creating proposals and doing research without being paid? Hell yeah
Does it beat working a few hours at a local establishment making $10-15 an hour? Hell yes
I
My guess is that for IT people, that there must be better ways to make money with our skills. From what it sounds like, the per hour becomes so long that even much, much less work in some other fashion would seem to make nearly as much money, for less stress and effort, and with less risk.
Yeah that's what I've been basically saying, but there are some advantages :
No boss
Work as little or as much as you want
No cost or marketing to get startedI used it to save up for a vacation 4-5 years ago and it was nice for that.
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@DustinB3403 said in I have $500 spare!:
Have I got a deal of a lifetime for you! For only $500 USD I'll sell you the most pristine dephlogisticated air. The benefits include longer life, improved hearing and sense of smell. Act now before this offer is gone forever!
I don't who you are but being an asshole is not a place here. I am professional and I won't low my self to your level. God bless you buddy. I hope you get something out of that attitude.
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@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
@scottalanmiller said in I have $500 spare!:
@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
@scottalanmiller said in I have $500 spare!:
@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
To answer your other question, no it's not worth it because these clients want MSP continuous work done, but want to only pay employee type wages. In the long run, it obviously costs them more money to do this and they are worried about saving hours and saving money today vs their long term success.
But from an Upworker context, did you find that it was worth your time? Obviously Upwork has some overhead that you put in, without getting paid, whether just setting up your account or promoting yourself or whatever. Did it being in enough work to feel that your time was not being wasted once you were paid for the projects?
That's a different question for everyone because people will sometimes work a second minimum wage job to make extra income. I don't do it anymore as to me it isn't worth it, but I can see it being good for some.
Do you get paid IT equivalent industry wages? Hell no
Do you have clients breathing down your neck because they don't know what they need and how to budget extra hours? Hell yeah
Do you work nearly double the actual hours creating proposals and doing research without being paid? Hell yeah
Does it beat working a few hours at a local establishment making $10-15 an hour? Hell yes
I
My guess is that for IT people, that there must be better ways to make money with our skills. From what it sounds like, the per hour becomes so long that even much, much less work in some other fashion would seem to make nearly as much money, for less stress and effort, and with less risk.
Yeah that's what I've been basically saying, but there are some advantages :
No boss
Work as little or as much as you want
No cost or marketing to get startedI used it to save up for a vacation 4-5 years ago and it was nice for that.
Is it really free to get started? That's not so bad then, test the waters and see if it is worth it.
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@scottalanmiller said in I have $500 spare!:
@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
@scottalanmiller said in I have $500 spare!:
@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
@scottalanmiller said in I have $500 spare!:
@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
To answer your other question, no it's not worth it because these clients want MSP continuous work done, but want to only pay employee type wages. In the long run, it obviously costs them more money to do this and they are worried about saving hours and saving money today vs their long term success.
But from an Upworker context, did you find that it was worth your time? Obviously Upwork has some overhead that you put in, without getting paid, whether just setting up your account or promoting yourself or whatever. Did it being in enough work to feel that your time was not being wasted once you were paid for the projects?
That's a different question for everyone because people will sometimes work a second minimum wage job to make extra income. I don't do it anymore as to me it isn't worth it, but I can see it being good for some.
Do you get paid IT equivalent industry wages? Hell no
Do you have clients breathing down your neck because they don't know what they need and how to budget extra hours? Hell yeah
Do you work nearly double the actual hours creating proposals and doing research without being paid? Hell yeah
Does it beat working a few hours at a local establishment making $10-15 an hour? Hell yes
I
My guess is that for IT people, that there must be better ways to make money with our skills. From what it sounds like, the per hour becomes so long that even much, much less work in some other fashion would seem to make nearly as much money, for less stress and effort, and with less risk.
Yeah that's what I've been basically saying, but there are some advantages :
No boss
Work as little or as much as you want
No cost or marketing to get startedI used it to save up for a vacation 4-5 years ago and it was nice for that.
Is it really free to get started? That's not so bad then, test the waters and see if it is worth it.
Yeah its free. The monthly subscription he was talking about was extra features which we agreed make no sense. Submitting a proposal is completely free and client can look at your portfolio and of course ratings then decide from there. They will see who's paid and who's not but none of that matters when it comes to actually doing the work. That subscription thing is fairly new, well at least we'll after my experience.
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@DustinB3403 said in I have $500 spare!:
@IRJ said in I have $500 spare!:
Why do you have to be an asshole?
Because Monday
and
Because he is "wanting to purchase an entire business" for $500. That's High school level of foolishness waiting to be preyed upon.
Who said something about buying an entire business for $500? straight your facts man. Read between the lines. Don't jump on the comments and start flocking your wings.
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I believe the subscription is made to sold to inexperienced and unqualified workers tbh. I can't see a reason for someone who is consistently taking work to need that. After all clients can see all work (current and past) so as long as you keep steady works and make people happy, there's nothing paid features can offer as your goal is to have work lol.
