Can we force drivers to install any more in Windows?
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Expired certificate means not signed.
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For true unsigned drivers, booting into the F8 menu to allow unsigned install works fine for us with old USB to serial devices for forklifts.
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Here is a person over at Toms that seems like they ran into same thing: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3730907/disable-driver-signature-enforcement-working-anymore.html
No answers there however.If it's the expired cert, then I either need to remove the cert entirely, perhaps allowing force of "true" unsigned cert? Or I need to somehow reup the cert somehow, probably not possible I would guess.
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In this thread, a commenter suggests that the expiration date for the certificate is not taken into consideration at all when Windows checks code signing.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20569189/how-did-this-unsigned-driver-get-installed-on-windows-7-64-bit -
What happens if you set system time to date before cert expiration and try to install it then?
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@marcinozga said in Can we force drivers to install any more in Windows?:
What happens if you set system time to date before cert expiration and try to install it then?
Damn, I haven't done something like that for a long time.
Had to do that because of an old medical program that our students were using. -
Setting the date didn't do anything on the Win10 box I'm trying.
In fact, Win10 didn't really report any problems as far as signing, it just popped up a box asking if I wanted to install the driver and I said yes.
Then nothing happened. I checked Device Manager but still not loaded, I have a "Unknown USB Device (Device Descriptor Request Failed)" device.When I try to uninstall this, it comes back the same. When I try to update, it refuses to find the drivers I have, says no drivers exist or that Windows already chose the right driver.
In fact, on the screen where I'm supposed to select the driver from a list (where the "Have Disk" button is), it actually says "This driver is digitally signed".
But when I use Have Disk and go to the driver folder, it doesn't even attempt to show me it. It just says "The folder you specified doesn't contain a compatible software driver for your device."
Keep in mind, the driver manufacturer specifically lists the driver as being Win 10 compatible. I'm assuming it doesn't see the driver because it's actually looking for the unknown usb device which is a Microsoft driver already loaded. In other words, even though it's an unknown device, MS has still loaded some kind of signed MS driver. Somehow the two aren't matching up.
So now I can't get it working on Win7, nor Win10.
I'm currently trying to set up a Win7 virtual machine with an older copy of 7.
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@guyinpv I had similar issues with certain USB dongle, on Intel USB controllers, after upgrading to Windows 10. I had a PCIE USB controller lying around, non-Intel chip, and that allowed me to install drivers. If you have a spare controller, it's worth a try.
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Installing using compatibility mode doesn't help too?
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@marcinozga said in Can we force drivers to install any more in Windows?:
@guyinpv I had similar issues with certain USB dongle, on Intel USB controllers, after upgrading to Windows 10. I had a PCIE USB controller lying around, non-Intel chip, and that allowed me to install drivers. If you have a spare controller, it's worth a try.
It's not a controller, it's a dual DVD duplicator/printer device.
On Win7 I cannot make it load anything past the driver signing error box. Absolutely nothing works.
On Win10 it immediately loads a MS driver and calls it "Unknown USB Device (Device Descriptor Request Failed)". It won't let me change or update the driver in any way, it just instantly install that as soon as it scans for changes, even in safe mode.
I even went so far as to rename the windows\inf folder so that it would have no drivers to search through, and it still loaded that default MS unknown driver!
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Did you try the F8 option that JB mentioned?
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@Dashrender said in Can we force drivers to install any more in Windows?:
Did you try the F8 option that JB mentioned?
Yes.
From my research it seems that this is only for when you have truly unsigned drivers. In my case, they are signed but with an expired cert, although others have said this doesn't matter.To complicate matters more, I've now tried two other computers, and been on remote tech support with the company who remote-logged in to both Win7 and Win10 and got neither to work. He just said the USB is having communications errors and wants to send back the device for a $450 service repair.
But I had a spare unit (our previous model) which itself was repaired and I kept it as a spare. But trying to install that, I'm getting all the same issues! Even though it uses a different drive for its own model.
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@guyinpv said in Can we force drivers to install any more in Windows?:
@marcinozga said in Can we force drivers to install any more in Windows?:
@guyinpv I had similar issues with certain USB dongle, on Intel USB controllers, after upgrading to Windows 10. I had a PCIE USB controller lying around, non-Intel chip, and that allowed me to install drivers. If you have a spare controller, it's worth a try.
It's not a controller, it's a dual DVD duplicator/printer device.
I know that, but from your screenshots it looks like that duplicator is USB device. What I'm suggesting is connecting it to non-Intel USB controller.
