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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
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      Part of the goal of GBI is to grow, not shrink the economy, while lowering the overhead.

      Think of any company becoming more lean and efficient. Spend less, earn more.

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403 @PenguinWrangler
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        @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

        Still wondering where the money comes from.

        By taxing corporations that make billions and maybe pay a few million in taxes, by taxing the positions that can't go away (at an appropriate amount).

        From the same taxing methods used today, but no you can't tax GBI because then you're defeating the point of it. I already asked this, and was answered on it. really it was more a NYS complaint

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        • PenguinWranglerP
          PenguinWrangler @JaredBusch
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          @jaredbusch said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

          @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

          Still wondering where the money comes from.

          /sigh

          FFS, the same place it does now.

          No one has ever stated that no one would work. That would be species stagnation.

          I am sorry that I want details, before I get on a bandwagon to totally change my ideas and how things have worked in my country since my country was founded.

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          • JaredBuschJ
            JaredBusch @PenguinWrangler
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            @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

            @jaredbusch said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

            @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

            Still wondering where the money comes from.

            /sigh

            FFS, the same place it does now.

            No one has ever stated that no one would work. That would be species stagnation.

            I am sorry that I want details, before I get on a bandwagon to totally change my ideas and how things have worked in my country since well my country was founded.

            Worked well in this country? Bullshit.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
              last edited by

              @jaredbusch said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

              @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

              @jaredbusch said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

              @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

              Still wondering where the money comes from.

              /sigh

              FFS, the same place it does now.

              No one has ever stated that no one would work. That would be species stagnation.

              I am sorry that I want details, before I get on a bandwagon to totally change my ideas and how things have worked in my country since well my country was founded.

              Worked well in this country? Bullshit.

              He didn't say that. He was pausing for effect.

              Since... well since the country was founded.

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              • PenguinWranglerP
                PenguinWrangler @JaredBusch
                last edited by

                @jaredbusch said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                @jaredbusch said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                Still wondering where the money comes from.

                /sigh

                FFS, the same place it does now.

                No one has ever stated that no one would work. That would be species stagnation.

                I am sorry that I want details, before I get on a bandwagon to totally change my ideas and how things have worked in my country since well my country was founded.

                Worked well in this country? Bullshit.

                that was a typo.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
                  last edited by scottalanmiller

                  They might have worded poorly since it was founded, so it COULD be worded as...

                  They've worked poorly since, well... since the country was founded.

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                  • JaredBuschJ
                    JaredBusch @PenguinWrangler
                    last edited by

                    @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                    @jaredbusch said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                    @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                    @jaredbusch said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                    @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                    Still wondering where the money comes from.

                    /sigh

                    FFS, the same place it does now.

                    No one has ever stated that no one would work. That would be species stagnation.

                    I am sorry that I want details, before I get on a bandwagon to totally change my ideas and how things have worked in my country since well my country was founded.

                    Worked well in this country? Bullshit.

                    that was a typo.

                    Ok.

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403
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                      Jobs such as editorial services, could disappear and never be needed again. So long as your software was proficient enough with the language to understand the nuances.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                        @dustinb3403 said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                        Jobs such as editorial services, could disappear and never be needed again. So long as your software was proficient enough with the language to understand the nuances.

                        That's a tough one, but potential someday. Grammarly isn't cutting it today for that, though.

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                        • dafyreD
                          dafyre @DustinB3403
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                          @dustinb3403 said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                          Jobs such as editorial services, could disappear and never be needed again. So long as your software was proficient enough with the language to understand the nuances.

                          Jobs like that that need the human nuance to complete them could be done by people that enjoy that kind of work.

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                            @dustinb3403 said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                            Jobs such as editorial services, could disappear and never be needed again. So long as your software was proficient enough with the language to understand the nuances.

                            That's a tough one, but potential someday. Grammarly isn't cutting it today for that, though.

                            Sure, but it's an example of a field that is already being faded out. As Grammarly is being improved the world as a whole would need less bodies.

                            Just a few bodies to provide input to produce a better piece of software.

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                            • DustinB3403D
                              DustinB3403
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                              Jobs in the same realm, like Authors are actually going away too. Writing pieces on news etc or even making things up. This, I feel should be left to a person to author.

                              Accountability for what's stated etc etc..

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @dafyre
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                                @dafyre said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                @dustinb3403 said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                Jobs such as editorial services, could disappear and never be needed again. So long as your software was proficient enough with the language to understand the nuances.

                                Jobs like that that need the human nuance to complete them could be done by people that enjoy that kind of work.

                                Yes, that's a big deal. People would naturally gravitate to work that they like, rather than just work that's available.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                                  @dustinb3403 said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                  @dustinb3403 said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                  Jobs such as editorial services, could disappear and never be needed again. So long as your software was proficient enough with the language to understand the nuances.

                                  That's a tough one, but potential someday. Grammarly isn't cutting it today for that, though.

                                  Sure, but it's an example of a field that is already being faded out. As Grammarly is being improved the world as a whole would need less bodies.

                                  Just a few bodies to provide input to produce a better piece of software.

                                  Over time, definitely.

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                                  • momurdaM
                                    momurda @PenguinWrangler
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                                    @penguinwrangler said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                    Taxes are similar. Tax reporting could be standardized and made automatic. Tell the government your details, pay your taxes. Same for everyone. But that would destroy an industry. So they don't, they make taxes convoluted so that people essentially have to either buy software or pay accountants to do work that shouldn't exist. It's all busy work just to create jobs.

                                    Sure there are industries that will fade away, happens all the time. To think that the economy won't come up with jobs that don't even exist right now to fill the void is a little ludicrous. I mean Information Technology didn't exist when my parents were in school.

                                    This is wrong; starting in a few years when automation takes over everything. I dont think you understand the scale of the next round of automation in the workplace. 19/20 jobs driving, gone. That is millions of jobs just in the US. Fast food workers, gone in ten years. You arent replacing hundreds of millions of trucking and McDs and other manufacturing jobs with 'robot repairman' jobs. Especially since the robots will likely be throwaway cheap disposable like ipads and cell phones.
                                    Like you say, many of these types of people dont want to learn anything, ever, like your dad(your words). Youd rather have those people starving in the streets with no income and no home?

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                                    • ObsolesceO
                                      Obsolesce @momurda
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                                      @momurda said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                      This is wrong; starting in a few years when automation takes over everything. I dont think you understand the scale of the next round of automation in the workplace. 19/20 jobs driving, gone.

                                      Automation doesn't "take jobs". It provides more jobs, actually.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                                        @obsolesce said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                        @momurda said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                        This is wrong; starting in a few years when automation takes over everything. I dont think you understand the scale of the next round of automation in the workplace. 19/20 jobs driving, gone.

                                        Automation doesn't "take jobs". It provides more jobs, actually.

                                        That's not so much automation and shifting. Good automation does replace jobs. It just frees up resources which, one hopes in the current system, are used to create more jobs.

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
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                                          @obsolesce said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                          @momurda said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                          This is wrong; starting in a few years when automation takes over everything. I dont think you understand the scale of the next round of automation in the workplace. 19/20 jobs driving, gone.

                                          Automation doesn't "take jobs". It provides more jobs, actually.

                                          How's the line go. . .

                                          HTisMpC.jpg

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                                          • coliverC
                                            coliver @Obsolesce
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                                            @obsolesce said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                            @momurda said in Discussing Basic Income from Forbes Article:

                                            This is wrong; starting in a few years when automation takes over everything. I dont think you understand the scale of the next round of automation in the workplace. 19/20 jobs driving, gone.

                                            Automation doesn't "take jobs". It provides more jobs, actually.

                                            That's not really true anymore. NYT had a big article on this when I was in college. Basically we hit the threshold in that year where automation was replacing more jobs then it was creating.

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