Windows NT Release History
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@travisdh1 said in Windows NT Release History:
@jaredbusch said in Windows NT Release History:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows NT Release History:
@stuartjordan said in Windows NT Release History:
I prefer the start menu in windows 7 as well, the start menu in windows 10 is just horrid. Just things in windows 10 seems like a longer process, like changing network adaptor settings... more clicks involved...
@Romo and I were just talking about how it is IMPOSSIBLE to figure out if an app is installed. You type in its name, it doesn't come up. There is zero reliable way to deterministically get the same app list from the same actions time after time.
We discuss that on here like a year ago or so and I disagreed with you then and I still disagree with you just because you can’t do something right are you set some setting that nobody else has a problem with doesn’t mean the entire system is wrong
I think the defaults on a Windows 10 install suck, but that's been a well-known thing since release. If someone doesn't have a script to clean the **** out yet, it's really their own fault anymore. Should be part of the price of using the platform.
Shouldn't need to be cleaned for first use on a new install.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows NT Release History:
@travisdh1 said in Windows NT Release History:
@jaredbusch said in Windows NT Release History:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows NT Release History:
@stuartjordan said in Windows NT Release History:
I prefer the start menu in windows 7 as well, the start menu in windows 10 is just horrid. Just things in windows 10 seems like a longer process, like changing network adaptor settings... more clicks involved...
@Romo and I were just talking about how it is IMPOSSIBLE to figure out if an app is installed. You type in its name, it doesn't come up. There is zero reliable way to deterministically get the same app list from the same actions time after time.
We discuss that on here like a year ago or so and I disagreed with you then and I still disagree with you just because you can’t do something right are you set some setting that nobody else has a problem with doesn’t mean the entire system is wrong
I think the defaults on a Windows 10 install suck, but that's been a well-known thing since release. If someone doesn't have a script to clean the **** out yet, it's really their own fault anymore. Should be part of the price of using the platform.
Shouldn't need to be cleaned for first use on a new install.
I agree with you that it shouldn't need to be cleaned after install. Just because we think it should be a certain way doesn't mean it is, or that Microsoft is going to change what they do just because we think it should be different.
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@travisdh1 said in Windows NT Release History:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows NT Release History:
@travisdh1 said in Windows NT Release History:
@jaredbusch said in Windows NT Release History:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows NT Release History:
@stuartjordan said in Windows NT Release History:
I prefer the start menu in windows 7 as well, the start menu in windows 10 is just horrid. Just things in windows 10 seems like a longer process, like changing network adaptor settings... more clicks involved...
@Romo and I were just talking about how it is IMPOSSIBLE to figure out if an app is installed. You type in its name, it doesn't come up. There is zero reliable way to deterministically get the same app list from the same actions time after time.
We discuss that on here like a year ago or so and I disagreed with you then and I still disagree with you just because you can’t do something right are you set some setting that nobody else has a problem with doesn’t mean the entire system is wrong
I think the defaults on a Windows 10 install suck, but that's been a well-known thing since release. If someone doesn't have a script to clean the **** out yet, it's really their own fault anymore. Should be part of the price of using the platform.
Shouldn't need to be cleaned for first use on a new install.
I agree with you that it shouldn't need to be cleaned after install. Just because we think it should be a certain way doesn't mean it is, or that Microsoft is going to change what they do just because we think it should be different.
So what you are saying is....
It needs to be "fixed" before use. Ergo, it's broken, like I said.
So my whole point of it being broken and not working, is agreed upon.
That there "might be" a fix, is up for debate. If you have to clean it (fix it) for EVERY use because it stops working silently, means it is not fixed, but still broken. So that woudl mean, not fixed. You are just getting it to "seem to work" momentarily, maybe. that's not the same as working or fixed. It's just another way to describe broken.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows NT Release History:
@jaredbusch said in Windows NT Release History:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows NT Release History:
@stuartjordan said in Windows NT Release History:
I prefer the start menu in windows 7 as well, the start menu in windows 10 is just horrid. Just things in windows 10 seems like a longer process, like changing network adaptor settings... more clicks involved...
@Romo and I were just talking about how it is IMPOSSIBLE to figure out if an app is installed. You type in its name, it doesn't come up. There is zero reliable way to deterministically get the same app list from the same actions time after time.
We discuss that on here like a year ago or so and I disagreed with you then and I still disagree with you just because you can’t do something right are you set some setting that nobody else has a problem with doesn’t mean the entire system is wrong
Yes, but the standard Windows 10 install doesn't do it correctly and shows bad info. You disagreed with me, but I disagree with you. It's broken. If the function doesn't work and shows incorrect results, it's not working. The entire system IS wrong.
That you "can" get it to show "possibly working" results "sometimes" doesn't imply that it's deterministic and correct. But that I can easily demonstrate it not working over and over and many systems from many setups, most importantly from pristine ones, proves it is not working.
But as I said previously it works for me every time first try default install
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@travisdh1 said in Windows NT Release History:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows NT Release History:
@travisdh1 said in Windows NT Release History:
@jaredbusch said in Windows NT Release History:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows NT Release History:
@stuartjordan said in Windows NT Release History:
I prefer the start menu in windows 7 as well, the start menu in windows 10 is just horrid. Just things in windows 10 seems like a longer process, like changing network adaptor settings... more clicks involved...
@Romo and I were just talking about how it is IMPOSSIBLE to figure out if an app is installed. You type in its name, it doesn't come up. There is zero reliable way to deterministically get the same app list from the same actions time after time.
We discuss that on here like a year ago or so and I disagreed with you then and I still disagree with you just because you can’t do something right are you set some setting that nobody else has a problem with doesn’t mean the entire system is wrong
I think the defaults on a Windows 10 install suck, but that's been a well-known thing since release. If someone doesn't have a script to clean the **** out yet, it's really their own fault anymore. Should be part of the price of using the platform.
Shouldn't need to be cleaned for first use on a new install.
I agree with you that it shouldn't need to be cleaned after install. Just because we think it should be a certain way doesn't mean it is, or that Microsoft is going to change what they do just because we think it should be different.
There’s nothing that needs to be cleaned I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about that’s not the conversation I was having with Scott
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@jaredbusch said in Windows NT Release History:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows NT Release History:
@jaredbusch said in Windows NT Release History:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows NT Release History:
@stuartjordan said in Windows NT Release History:
I prefer the start menu in windows 7 as well, the start menu in windows 10 is just horrid. Just things in windows 10 seems like a longer process, like changing network adaptor settings... more clicks involved...
@Romo and I were just talking about how it is IMPOSSIBLE to figure out if an app is installed. You type in its name, it doesn't come up. There is zero reliable way to deterministically get the same app list from the same actions time after time.
We discuss that on here like a year ago or so and I disagreed with you then and I still disagree with you just because you can’t do something right are you set some setting that nobody else has a problem with doesn’t mean the entire system is wrong
Yes, but the standard Windows 10 install doesn't do it correctly and shows bad info. You disagreed with me, but I disagree with you. It's broken. If the function doesn't work and shows incorrect results, it's not working. The entire system IS wrong.
That you "can" get it to show "possibly working" results "sometimes" doesn't imply that it's deterministic and correct. But that I can easily demonstrate it not working over and over and many systems from many setups, most importantly from pristine ones, proves it is not working.
But as I said previously it works for me every time first try default install
Right, but that's the issue....
- How can you know it is working for sure, just because you get the result you expect doesn't mean it returned the results it should have.
- On the same fresh install, I'm not getting the same results.
For a deterministic working interface, everyone has to get the right results, all the time. Not some people, some of the time. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. But still broken, even at those times.
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Sweet thanks!
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Nice! Brings me down memory lane.
But I have a little problem putting them up like that. Because the versions that has NT in their name was really the "Server" or "Workstation" edition. Desktops were running Windows 95/98/Me at the time.
I understand you are talking about the architecture but then maybe 2003/2008/2012/2016 server releases should also be there.
This is the story about NT and how it came about from one of the people involved:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100604082534/http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winserver2k3_gold1.asp -
I prefer windows 8.1 over any other windows interface. I thought that search feature worked well, and your desktop was less crowded if you took the time to configure the metro interface correctly..... ducks behind a corner....
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@irj said in Windows NT Release History:
I prefer windows 8.1 over any other windows interface. I thought that search feature worked well, and your desktop was less crowded if you took the time to configure the metro interface correctly..... ducks behind a corner....
No, every word you just said is wrong.
Full screen start button screen is the worst idea in the history of computer interfaces. It still infuriates me every time im forced to use 2012 or 8.1 -
@momurda said in Windows NT Release History:
@irj said in Windows NT Release History:
I prefer windows 8.1 over any other windows interface. I thought that search feature worked well, and your desktop was less crowded if you took the time to configure the metro interface correctly..... ducks behind a corner....
No, every word you just said is wrong.
Full screen start button screen is the worst idea in the history of computer interfaces. It still infuriates me every time im forced to use 2012 or 8.1It shows a basic misunderstanding of psychology. It triggers what is known as the "doorway problem". It makes the system jarring, confusing, and makes it very easy to forget what you were doing or take longer to do things. It also wreaks havoc with remote access.
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@scottalanmiller Ah yes i forgot about the 8 clicks to get to Shutdown or Restart on 8/8.1.
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The Doorway Effect is well known and studied. It's basic psychology and super basic GUI design. That MS got this wrong is.... unthinkable. To the point that one has to wonder if making the system less usable wasn't the goal. How could MS have known so little about psychology and GUIs to not have done this intentionally?
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@momurda said in Windows NT Release History:
@scottalanmiller Ah yes i forgot about the 8 clicks to get to Shutdown or Restart on 8/8.1.
That, too. Everything was so painfully inefficient.
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@momurda said in Windows NT Release History:
@scottalanmiller Ah yes i forgot about the 8 clicks to get to Shutdown or Restart on 8/8.1.
Nope.
Right click on the Start button. It is right there.Edit: Logoff was not on the start button until Server 2012 R2 and Windows 10. But shutdown and reboot always were.
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@momurda said in Windows NT Release History:
@scottalanmiller Ah yes i forgot about the 8 clicks to get to Shutdown or Restart on 8/8.1.
It's been a while but didn't
Windows key + xoptions like shutdown? Plus you can always doctrl+alt+delete. Yes, I'm a fan of using a keyboard/commands to get around Windows. -
@black3dynamite said in Windows NT Release History:
@momurda said in Windows NT Release History:
@scottalanmiller Ah yes i forgot about the 8 clicks to get to Shutdown or Restart on 8/8.1.
It's been a while but didn't
Windows key + xoptions like shutdown? Plus you can always doctrl+alt+delete. Yes, I'm a fan of using a keyboard/commands to get around Windows.Even without that, the GUI had built in quick ways. People just like to bitch.
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@jaredbusch said in Windows NT Release History:
@black3dynamite said in Windows NT Release History:
@momurda said in Windows NT Release History:
@scottalanmiller Ah yes i forgot about the 8 clicks to get to Shutdown or Restart on 8/8.1.
It's been a while but didn't
Windows key + xoptions like shutdown? Plus you can always doctrl+alt+delete. Yes, I'm a fan of using a keyboard/commands to get around Windows.Even without that, the GUI had built in quick ways. People just like to bitch.
8, on release, without a touchscreen, was difficult to locate, and did take a number of actions to get to. They did address it pretty quickly though, and it wasn't that hard in 8.1.
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@kelly said in Windows NT Release History:
@jaredbusch said in Windows NT Release History:
@black3dynamite said in Windows NT Release History:
@momurda said in Windows NT Release History:
@scottalanmiller Ah yes i forgot about the 8 clicks to get to Shutdown or Restart on 8/8.1.
It's been a while but didn't
Windows key + xoptions like shutdown? Plus you can always doctrl+alt+delete. Yes, I'm a fan of using a keyboard/commands to get around Windows.Even without that, the GUI had built in quick ways. People just like to bitch.
8, on release, without a touchscreen, was difficult to locate, and did take a number of actions to get to. They did address it pretty quickly though, and it wasn't that hard in 8.1.
It sucked to mouse over to get the fly out start button, true, but the actions were always there.
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@jaredbusch said in Windows NT Release History:
@kelly said in Windows NT Release History:
@jaredbusch said in Windows NT Release History:
@black3dynamite said in Windows NT Release History:
@momurda said in Windows NT Release History:
@scottalanmiller Ah yes i forgot about the 8 clicks to get to Shutdown or Restart on 8/8.1.
It's been a while but didn't
Windows key + xoptions like shutdown? Plus you can always doctrl+alt+delete. Yes, I'm a fan of using a keyboard/commands to get around Windows.Even without that, the GUI had built in quick ways. People just like to bitch.
8, on release, without a touchscreen, was difficult to locate, and did take a number of actions to get to. They did address it pretty quickly though, and it wasn't that hard in 8.1.
It sucked to mouse over to get the fly out start button, true, but the actions were always there.
Especially when it was just a few pixels big.
