ARM Desktop I Finally Want
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How is it different than a Pi?
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@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
How is it different than a Pi?
More memory it's the biggest difference. A pi3 can actually run a desktop, whereas versions 1 and 2 just didn't quite have enough memory to run a desktop well. Even pi3 with 1gb of ram can't be used as an everyday desktop because it runs out of memory so quickly. So something with 4gb of ram suddenly becomes something that could be used as a daily driver.
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This one looks better price-wise: http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=225&sort=p.price&order=DESC
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Too bad I can't send a few of those to a Colo.
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What's the attraction to ARM over Intel?
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@jmoore said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
What's the attraction to ARM over Intel?
ARM over AMD you mean? No one makes an IA64 based desktop system, that's Intel's architecture. ARM and AMD are the only games in the consumer space or business desktop space.
ARM is higher performance for the same power consumption, by a bit. And often can do passive cooling while being highly performant.
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@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
Too bad I can't send a few of those to a Colo.
There are ways.
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@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
This one looks better price-wise: http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=225&sort=p.price&order=DESC
Whoa, good find!
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@travisdh1 said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
How is it different than a Pi?
More memory it's the biggest difference. A pi3 can actually run a desktop, whereas versions 1 and 2 just didn't quite have enough memory to run a desktop well. Even pi3 with 1gb of ram can't be used as an everyday desktop because it runs out of memory so quickly. So something with 4gb of ram suddenly becomes something that could be used as a daily driver.
Memory is big, but processor is, too. This is the OP-1, super high end desktop processor that Google ordered from RockChip. It's used in the top low power Chromebooks. Extremely powerful.
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@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
This one looks better price-wise: http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=225&sort=p.price&order=DESC
Whoa, good find!
Yeah, for $130, i really want one.
I just don't know how to justify it when I already have a laptop.
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@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
This one looks better price-wise: http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=225&sort=p.price&order=DESC
Whoa, good find!
Yeah, for $130, i really want one.
I just don't know how to justify it when I already have a laptop.
Don't forget to consider the cost of a case. The Firefly one is the bomb and only $29.
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@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
This one looks better price-wise: http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=225&sort=p.price&order=DESC
Whoa, good find!
Yeah, for $130, i really want one.
I just don't know how to justify it when I already have a laptop.
Don't forget to consider the cost of a case. The Firefly one is the bomb and only $29.
Tinkercad and the local makerspace with free-to-me 3D printers mean I don't care about cases, I make my own
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@travisdh1 said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
This one looks better price-wise: http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=225&sort=p.price&order=DESC
Whoa, good find!
Yeah, for $130, i really want one.
I just don't know how to justify it when I already have a laptop.
Don't forget to consider the cost of a case. The Firefly one is the bomb and only $29.
Tinkercad and the local makerspace with free-to-me 3D printers mean I don't care about cases, I make my own
Well when you can print me machined, anodized aluminum for free, let me know
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@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@travisdh1 said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
This one looks better price-wise: http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=225&sort=p.price&order=DESC
Whoa, good find!
Yeah, for $130, i really want one.
I just don't know how to justify it when I already have a laptop.
Don't forget to consider the cost of a case. The Firefly one is the bomb and only $29.
Tinkercad and the local makerspace with free-to-me 3D printers mean I don't care about cases, I make my own
Well when you can print me machined, anodized aluminum for free, let me know
I'd probably have to bring my own aluminum billet and use the CNC to drill it out at that point. Totally doable, just a little harder for me.
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@travisdh1 said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@travisdh1 said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
This one looks better price-wise: http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=225&sort=p.price&order=DESC
Whoa, good find!
Yeah, for $130, i really want one.
I just don't know how to justify it when I already have a laptop.
Don't forget to consider the cost of a case. The Firefly one is the bomb and only $29.
Tinkercad and the local makerspace with free-to-me 3D printers mean I don't care about cases, I make my own
Well when you can print me machined, anodized aluminum for free, let me know
I'd probably have to bring my own aluminum billet and use the CNC to drill it out at that point. Totally doable, just a little harder for me.
Easier and probably cheaper to pay $30 on a pre-made one, unless your time and materials are free or aren't worth anything.
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@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@travisdh1 said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@travisdh1 said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
This one looks better price-wise: http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=225&sort=p.price&order=DESC
Whoa, good find!
Yeah, for $130, i really want one.
I just don't know how to justify it when I already have a laptop.
Don't forget to consider the cost of a case. The Firefly one is the bomb and only $29.
Tinkercad and the local makerspace with free-to-me 3D printers mean I don't care about cases, I make my own
Well when you can print me machined, anodized aluminum for free, let me know
I'd probably have to bring my own aluminum billet and use the CNC to drill it out at that point. Totally doable, just a little harder for me.
Easier and probably cheaper to pay $30 on a pre-made one, unless your time and materials are free or aren't worth anything.
Or you're doing it just because you can and want to. lol.
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@dafyre said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@travisdh1 said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@travisdh1 said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
This one looks better price-wise: http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=225&sort=p.price&order=DESC
Whoa, good find!
Yeah, for $130, i really want one.
I just don't know how to justify it when I already have a laptop.
Don't forget to consider the cost of a case. The Firefly one is the bomb and only $29.
Tinkercad and the local makerspace with free-to-me 3D printers mean I don't care about cases, I make my own
Well when you can print me machined, anodized aluminum for free, let me know
I'd probably have to bring my own aluminum billet and use the CNC to drill it out at that point. Totally doable, just a little harder for me.
Easier and probably cheaper to pay $30 on a pre-made one, unless your time and materials are free or aren't worth anything.
Or you're doing it just because you can and want to. lol.
Right, but it was initially said in the context of saving money, not doing it for fun.
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@scottalanmiller said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@travisdh1 said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
@obsolesce said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
How is it different than a Pi?
More memory it's the biggest difference. A pi3 can actually run a desktop, whereas versions 1 and 2 just didn't quite have enough memory to run a desktop well. Even pi3 with 1gb of ram can't be used as an everyday desktop because it runs out of memory so quickly. So something with 4gb of ram suddenly becomes something that could be used as a daily driver.
Memory is big, but processor is, too. This is the OP-1, super high end desktop processor that Google ordered from RockChip. It's used in the top low power Chromebooks. Extremely powerful.
"Super high end desktop"? I hope that was irony. If you'd try it you would be really disappointed. They are much slower than any of the standard desktop cpu from Intel. A far cry from anything called high end desktop.
Compared here for instance to intel celeron j3455 - a low end laptop cpu.
https://www.cnx-software.com/2017/10/26/linux-benchmarks-intel-j3455-apollo-lake-vs-z3735f-bay-trail-vs-rk3399-and-other-arm-platforms/Keep in mind that intel j3455 NUC is a $130 barebone.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856102183Add $30 for 4GB of memory and you're at the same price as the board you mentioned but with 2-3 times the performance of the rockchip. The J3455 is an older NUC so it can only take 8GB RAM.
Newer ones like the I5-7260U NUC I picked up today can take up to 32GB RAM. It's almost 3 times faster than the J3455 but it's $350 so not a fair comparison.
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@pete-s said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
Compared here for instance to intel celeron j3455 - a low end laptop cpu.
https://www.cnx-software.com/2017/10/26/linux-benchmarks-intel-j3455-apollo-lake-vs-z3735f-bay-trail-vs-rk3399-and-other-arm-platforms/Keep in mind that intel j3455 NUC is a $130 barebone.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856102183Keep in mind you can get a RK3399 for $129 with everything except the hard drive. It's pretty complete. I have a lower end RockChip and the performance is fantastic. I don't see the power consumption numbers here, but my RockChip feels fast and lasts for 13 hours. I never see Intel chips pulling that off, even their Atoms.
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@pete-s said in ARM Desktop I Finally Want:
Add $30 for 4GB of memory and you're at the same price as the board you mentioned but with 2-3 times the performance of the rockchip. The J3455 is an older NUC so it can only take 8GB RAM.
Well that's at least $160 vs. $129. But a bigger deal is power consumption, I think. I'd like to see the numbers, but I bet that the RC is dramatically lower.
