Backup Windows with UrBackup
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@jaredbusch said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@dustinb3403 said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@stuartjordan said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
Do you use this on LAN or WAN for your backups?
You could use either, but ideally and for the best performance you would backup onsite (as LAN will be faster) and then have a separate service that copies those backups offsite.
No, you never want a separate service copying backups. You want your backup service to take the local backups and send changed blocks to the offsite repository and have it put together the new backup there.
Transferring entire backups is just stupid.
So you're saying rsync would be a no go?
I can agree it would be great if any backup solution can rotate and move your backups as required. I honestly don't know if UrBackup has this functionality built in.
I personally would just assume it would be left to some other service.
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@jaredbusch said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@dustinb3403 said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@stuartjordan said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
Do you use this on LAN or WAN for your backups?
You could use either, but ideally and for the best performance you would backup onsite (as LAN will be faster) and then have a separate service that copies those backups offsite.
No, you never want a separate service copying backups. You want your backup service to take the local backups and send changed blocks to the offsite repository and have it put together the new backup there.
Transferring entire backups is just stupid.
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@dustinb3403 said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
So you're saying rsync would be a no go?
Absolutely never. The time to offsite would be horrendous.
@dustinb3403 said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
I can agree it would be great if any backup solution can rotate and move your backups as required. I honestly don't know if UrBackup has this functionality built in.
Veeam does this
@dustinb3403 said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
I personally would just assume it would be left to some other service.
But how would this other service know how to put together your change blocks (from the back up) on the other side?
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@jaredbusch said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@dustinb3403 said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@stuartjordan said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
Do you use this on LAN or WAN for your backups?
You could use either, but ideally and for the best performance you would backup onsite (as LAN will be faster) and then have a separate service that copies those backups offsite.
No, you never want a separate service copying backups. You want your backup service to take the local backups and send changed blocks to the offsite repository and have it put together the new backup there.
Transferring entire backups is just stupid.
I must admit, This makes most sense to me.
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@scottalanmiller said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@stuartjordan said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
Do you use this on LAN or WAN for your backups?
Only on the LAN right now.
I have used the "WAN" function of UrBackup a little bit. It only discovers devices on the same subnet... so if you have devices on multiple subnets you'd have to use it.
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@dafyre said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@scottalanmiller said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@stuartjordan said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
Do you use this on LAN or WAN for your backups?
Only on the LAN right now.
I have used the "WAN" function of UrBackup a little bit. It only discovers devices on the same subnet... so if you have devices on multiple subnets you'd have to use it.
Can you make this English?
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@jaredbusch said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@dafyre said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@scottalanmiller said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@stuartjordan said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
Do you use this on LAN or WAN for your backups?
Only on the LAN right now.
I have used the "WAN" function of UrBackup a little bit. It only discovers devices on the same subnet... so if you have devices on multiple subnets you'd have to use it.
Can you make this English?
Let's try this again:
URBackup's discovery feature works only if the Server and the Client are in the same IP range. If they are not, then you will have to use the WAN features to get your device to back up to the URBackup server.
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@dafyre this isn't related to the UrBackup server managing and moving the backups around (offsite storage for retention) though, correct?
This is simply using server and client on different subnets.
I suppose you could add a different repository to UrBackup as the retention location. I'd have to dig into it to see how that would work, I know you can use remote storage so long as you can mount them to the server.
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@dustinb3403 said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@dafyre this isn't related to the UrBackup server managing and moving the backups around (offsite storage for retention) though, correct?
Correct. This is only related to how the client was connecting to the server.
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UrBackup is too heavy for my taste, I tested it but the interface was too 1980s
saltstack + robocopy + 7za
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@emad-r said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
UrBackup is too heavy for my taste, I tested it but the interface was too 1980s
saltstack + robocopy + 7za
How do you do incremental backups with change block tracking? That method doesn't do it. So you're doing full backups and copying full backups every time?
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@obsolesce said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@emad-r said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
UrBackup is too heavy for my taste, I tested it but the interface was too 1980s
saltstack + robocopy + 7za
How do you do incremental backups with change block tracking? That method doesn't do it. So you're doing full backups and copying full backups every time?
Exactly this. It is horrible to handle at any size.
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@obsolesce said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@emad-r said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
UrBackup is too heavy for my taste, I tested it but the interface was too 1980s
saltstack + robocopy + 7za
How do you do incremental backups with change block tracking? That method doesn't do it. So you're doing full backups and copying full backups every time?
I can't answer for him because I have no idea how he's using it. But that does work if you're only copying data from the data volumes. That's pretty much what ReaR does, just replace 7za with tar.
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@obsolesce said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@emad-r said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
UrBackup is too heavy for my taste, I tested it but the interface was too 1980s
saltstack + robocopy + 7za
How do you do incremental backups with change block tracking? That method doesn't do it. So you're doing full backups and copying full backups every time?
UrBackup doesn't have CBT. Not many things do. You can buy it additionally, but it isn't part of UrBackup.
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@scottalanmiller said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@obsolesce said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@emad-r said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
UrBackup is too heavy for my taste, I tested it but the interface was too 1980s
saltstack + robocopy + 7za
How do you do incremental backups with change block tracking? That method doesn't do it. So you're doing full backups and copying full backups every time?
UrBackup doesn't have CBT. Not many things do. You can buy it additionally, but it isn't part of UrBackup.
It does, if you purchase it.
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@stacksofplates said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@obsolesce said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@emad-r said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
UrBackup is too heavy for my taste, I tested it but the interface was too 1980s
saltstack + robocopy + 7za
How do you do incremental backups with change block tracking? That method doesn't do it. So you're doing full backups and copying full backups every time?
I can't answer for him because I have no idea how he's using it. But that does work if you're only copying data from the data volumes. That's pretty much what ReaR does, just replace 7za with tar.
Same with rsnapshot. Except it uses hard links.
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@dustinb3403 how much is it? Does it include support?
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@aaronstuder said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
@dustinb3403 how much is it? Does it include support?
It's really cheap, like $17 IIRC.
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Yeah it's $17USD/client.
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@dustinb3403 said in Backup Windows with UrBackup:
Yeah it's $17USD.
Per client. Not correcting you, just pointing that out.
