Alternatives to Facebook
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@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to Facebook:
That's the thing I've mentioned a few times
Ah, gotcha lol I'm apparently a little slow, I didn't realize there was separate messenger website, because I don't use messenger frequently. I thought you were still going on facebook.com to access messenger with the messy political BS in the same window :face_with_tears_of_joy:
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@bnrstnr said in Alternatives to Facebook:
@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to Facebook:
That's the thing I've mentioned a few times
Ah, gotcha lol I'm apparently a little slow, I didn't realize there was separate messenger app, because I don't use messenger frequently. I thought you were still going on facebook.com to access messenger with the messy political BS in the same window :face_with_tears_of_joy:
OH, no, I use the website and it works great. I was really sick of FB till someone showed me that. Once I switched, FB was fine again.
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I signed up...
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So I am a Social Media person ( I get paid good money by small businesses to help them be poplular on it). Facebook is still the center of it all (not saying it is great I wish people would use forums more so much better). But the fact is FB is where they hang out. I have built a whole successfull business around it and communicating on FB groups. If you treat each group like a mini forum with bad search functionality you can really do well. Skills I learned posting on here, reddit and other forums have helped me dominate over there. Small businesses really do use it a ton and are growing over there (for now).
Heck one post on a group today got me 15 potential client calls.Vero sucks. Twitter is worthless outside of the tech world. Instagram is great depending on your client base (IT world clients waste of time, Female clients or small business owners totally worth it). Linkedin is best for business to business.
It really depends on how you use it all. IT people (all of you) tend to use things very differently then the rest of the world ;). Hence why I have been good at bridging the gap between the rest of the world and the IT world.
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@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to Facebook:
I signed up...
Likewise: https://mewe.com/i/kelly.schroeder1
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@minion-queen said in Alternatives to Facebook:
So I am a Social Media person ( I get paid good money by small businesses to help them be poplular on it). Facebook is still the center of it all (not saying it is great I wish people would use forums more so much better). But the fact is FB is where they hang out.
Well, not where business people hang out. It's where hobbiests hang out. There is a lot of money in that, but it isn't the same thing.
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@kelly said in Alternatives to Facebook:
@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to Facebook:
I signed up...
Likewise: https://mewe.com/i/kelly.schroeder1
I linked you. Or whatever it is called there.
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@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to Facebook:
@minion-queen said in Alternatives to Facebook:
So I am a Social Media person ( I get paid good money by small businesses to help them be poplular on it). Facebook is still the center of it all (not saying it is great I wish people would use forums more so much better). But the fact is FB is where they hang out.
Well, not where business people hang out. It's where hobbiests hang out. There is a lot of money in that, but it isn't the same thing.
If they are making an actual living (paying all their bills etc) no matter how crazy the "hobby" as you call it is.... it's a business. And yes business people hang out on facbeook. I have 2 new clients that while their business are weird and you think how they heck do they make money doing this. They make good money (more than some of us do). And again they do hang out on facebook and that is where thier client base is and hence where mine is.
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@minion-queen said in Alternatives to Facebook:
@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to Facebook:
@minion-queen said in Alternatives to Facebook:
So I am a Social Media person ( I get paid good money by small businesses to help them be poplular on it). Facebook is still the center of it all (not saying it is great I wish people would use forums more so much better). But the fact is FB is where they hang out.
Well, not where business people hang out. It's where hobbiests hang out. There is a lot of money in that, but it isn't the same thing.
If they are making an actual living (paying all their bills etc) no matter how crazy the "hobby" as you call it is.... it's a business.
How many are doing that, though? Actually paying their bills from the business? Versus how many are getting funded somewhere to make it happen? Just because someone can keep from going out of business, doesn't mean that there are profits. Many of those businesses are getting funded to keep them from shopping or whatever.
And it's not just businesses like that. I know businesses that we "caught" using similar tactics and were able to predict that the company was a "gift" from a family member as a hobby for a child (who has been playing at business now for decades.) But the business never really makes money, or even tries to, it's just people with enough money to play with something that looks like a business to outsiders indefinitely.
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@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to Facebook:
@tim_g said in Alternatives to Facebook:
Why do you need Facebook to stay in touch with someone? So you can stalk them without them knowing? Give them a call. Send them an email with photos. Text them a link to your Instagram and Twitter.
The concept of FB is centralized accounts. Most people I know don't have anything but FB. It's not that we don't know each other, it's that email has been intentionally discontinued by millenials and anti-techers, Twitter isn't that widely used, Instagram IS Facebook (just another "view" of it like Messenger), and telephone numbers aren't stable. None of those things replaces Facebook.
That has changed.
Facebook is strictly about data gathering and advertising, nothing more.
I'm not saying people don't use it for the all-in-one function, but the world would be a far better place without Facebook and any similar platforms.
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@minion-queen said in Alternatives to Facebook:
They make good money (more than some of us do). And again they do hang out on facebook and that is where thier client base is and hence where mine is.
Selling to people on FB isn't the same as using FB. That's like saying that newspapers are a viable tool, then talking about how ads on there work. Totally different things.
Newspapers are a joke. But you use them to filter your audience to only the most gullible.
It's the same underlying concept as SPAM. People make SPAM look like gibberish so that only really, really foolish customers that can be tricked most readily will respond. That doesn't make SPAM a "serious business tool", it doesn't make responding to SPAM a serious business tool, but there is a lot of money to be made by doing it.
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@tim_g said in Alternatives to Facebook:
@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to Facebook:
@tim_g said in Alternatives to Facebook:
Why do you need Facebook to stay in touch with someone? So you can stalk them without them knowing? Give them a call. Send them an email with photos. Text them a link to your Instagram and Twitter.
The concept of FB is centralized accounts. Most people I know don't have anything but FB. It's not that we don't know each other, it's that email has been intentionally discontinued by millenials and anti-techers, Twitter isn't that widely used, Instagram IS Facebook (just another "view" of it like Messenger), and telephone numbers aren't stable. None of those things replaces Facebook.
That has changed.
Facebook is strictly about data gathering and advertising, nothing more.
I'm not saying people don't use it for the all-in-one function, but the world would be a far better place without Facebook and any similar platforms.
Nothing has changed. Facebook has always made its money one way, and the use case for it has always been centralized accounts. Neither has ever changed at all. Facebook's business model is not relevant to the products use case. It might show why it is foolish to use FB, but doesn't affect why people want to use it.
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I've been doing some testing on MeWe, and it looks good so far. Timeline posts are similar to Facebook's, but they have only one permission: My contacts. You cannot restrict it any tighter, but it is more private than Facebook's default. Videos do not auto play. I need to fiddle with this some more, but it is looking like something I can start recommending. I'm still waiting on their response to my tweet to see if they have a plan on protecting the privacy of their users when they launch the paid addons.
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@bnrstnr said in Alternatives to Facebook:
@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to Facebook:
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Totally not easy to use, at all, but it is trivially easy to add anybody you know
Like a ponzi scheme
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@nadnerb said in Alternatives to Facebook:
@bnrstnr said in Alternatives to Facebook:
@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to Facebook:
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Totally not easy to use, at all, but it is trivially easy to add anybody you know
Like a ponzi scheme
LOL, something like that.
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@kelly said in Alternatives to Facebook:
but the only way that companies are going to learn from this is if Facebook goes under for how they handled user information.
But how did FB mishandle anything?
The last actual technical information I read was that their API allowed more information than they intended.
FB fixed it.
FB demanded that CA delete data and had a confirmation from CA that CA deleted all data they were not supposed to have collected.
CA lied.
Now, if this is not correct, please enlighten me. But it is the last technical information I read on the subject.
Now FB has other issues and news circulating, but none of those are the big damning thing that the CA disaster is being made out as.
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@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to Facebook:
Instagram IS Facebook (just another "view" of it like Messenger),
Instagram is not FB. It is a separate product that is owned by FB, yes, but it is not FB.
There have been some integration since it was purchased, but not actually that many.
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@jaredbusch said in Alternatives to Facebook:
@scottalanmiller said in Alternatives to Facebook:
Instagram IS Facebook (just another "view" of it like Messenger),
Instagram is not FB. It is a separate product that is owned by FB, yes, but it is not FB.
There have been some integration since it was purchased, but not actually that many.
It's a bit. I think that they share all the back end. It's just two different places to have images visible.
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@jaredbusch said in Alternatives to Facebook:
@kelly said in Alternatives to Facebook:
but the only way that companies are going to learn from this is if Facebook goes under for how they handled user information.
But how did FB mishandle anything?
The last actual technical information I read was that their API allowed more information than they intended.
FB fixed it.
FB demanded that CA delete data and had a confirmation from CA that CA deleted all data they were not supposed to have collected.
CA lied.
Now, if this is not correct, please enlighten me. But it is the last technical information I read on the subject.
Now FB has other issues and news circulating, but none of those are the big damning thing that the CA disaster is being made out as.
.There is little new. That doesn't make it any less damning. Facebook has been mining user data (largely with permission) for the entirety of its existence. That doesn't make it right. This furor has just swept back the curtain to expose what we already knew to the larger world. Fines aren't going to do anything when it comes to security or privacy. The only way to get companies to handle user data with care and consideration of the best for their users is if there are high profile consequences.
To your question though, the most egregious, recent revelation was that Facebook appears to be scraping call and SMS data without explicit opt-in permission.
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Signed up for mewe to see what's it like
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