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    • CCWTechC
      CCWTech
      last edited by CCWTech

      Mixture of 7 and 10.

      I should have tried this earlier, but I tried the application on my other VM (the domain controller - same physical box) and it's slow there as well. It's also slow on the physical box.

      At least that eliminates a ton, but still doesn't tell me why it would be fast on the other VM itself.

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      • CCWTechC
        CCWTech
        last edited by

        I was thinking that my last post may be very critical in solving this issue. Any ideas to help?

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        • pmonchoP
          pmoncho @CCWTech
          last edited by

          @ccwtech

          Just trying to get your setup correct, Multiple 2016 VM's on one 2016 Hyper-V host. 1 RDS, 1 FS and 1 DC?

          Is app installed on RDS or FS server?

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          • CCWTechC
            CCWTech @pmoncho
            last edited by CCWTech

            @pmoncho said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

            @ccwtech

            Just trying to get your setup correct, Multiple 2016 VM's on one 2016 Hyper-V host. 1 RDS, 1 FS and 1 DC?

            Is app installed on RDS or FS server?

            1 Physical Box with 2 VM's

            1 - DC/DNS/DHCP
            1 - File Server/RDS Server (Application resides here)

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender
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              And when it worked better - what was that setup?

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              • pmonchoP
                pmoncho @CCWTech
                last edited by

                @ccwtech said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

                @pmoncho said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

                @ccwtech

                Just trying to get your setup correct, Multiple 2016 VM's on one 2016 Hyper-V host. 1 RDS, 1 FS and 1 DC?

                Is app installed on RDS or FS server?

                1 Physical Box with 2 VM's

                1 - DC/DNS/DHCP
                1 - File Server/RDS Server (Application resides here)

                I am guessing they are are all on the same vswitch?

                Is it slow when you access the app from the DC?

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                • CCWTechC
                  CCWTech
                  last edited by

                  OLD vs. New

                  OLD:
                  Intel Xeon E5245 2.33Ghz (DUAL) / 16 GB Ram / 7,200 hard drives in RAID 1 / Broadcom BCM5708C NetXtreme GigE
                  VM1 - DC/DHCP/DNS - 8 Virtual Processors, 4 GB Static RAM, - Application resides on this box (file server)
                  VM2 - RDS Server - 5 Virtual Processors, 6 GB Static RAM - Used to remote into and run the application from VM1

                  NEW:
                  Intel Xeon E5-2640 v4 2.4 Ghz / 64 GB Ram / 10,000 hard drives in RAID 10 / Intel I210 GB
                  VM1 - DC/DHCP/DNS - 1 Virtual Processor, 4 GB Static RAM
                  VM2 - RDS Server - 4 Virtual Processors, 24 GB Static RAM - This is RDS box and also where the application resides

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                  • black3dynamiteB
                    black3dynamite
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                    Maybe the issue is that SMBv1 is not available anymore for Server 2016 could be affecting the performance accessing over the network.

                    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4034314/smbv1-is-not-installed-windows-10-and-windows-server-version-1709

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                    • dbeatoD
                      dbeato @black3dynamite
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                      @black3dynamite said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

                      Maybe the issue is that SMBv1 is not available anymore for Server 2016 could be affecting the performance accessing over the network.

                      https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4034314/smbv1-is-not-installed-windows-10-and-windows-server-version-1709

                      But you can enable just to test.

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                      • CCWTechC
                        CCWTech
                        last edited by

                        I'll give that a shot. Thank you!

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                        • I
                          i3
                          last edited by

                          What is the name of the application you are using? Have you tried to reach out to their support or Google around the issues you are having?

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                          • pmonchoP
                            pmoncho @CCWTech
                            last edited by

                            @ccwtech

                            Also, don't forget to check the Event Viewer to see if there may be an error related to SMBv1/2/3.

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                            • CCWTechC
                              CCWTech @i3
                              last edited by

                              @i3 It's a very proprietary veterinary software that was developed in the 80's and hasn't been updated since.

                              And... It's the industry leader. Their support is < worthless

                              Maybe not exact quote but @scottalanmiller said something to the effect of 'software developed by my uncle 20 years ago on a weekend when he was bored.'

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender
                                last edited by

                                So, old setup:

                                Win7/Win 10 using RDP to connect to RDS server (was it full desktop or published app?), and the RDS server connected via SMB to the File Server share to access the application?

                                No changes to the physical network switches?

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender
                                  last edited by

                                  And the current setup is:

                                  Win 7/Win 10 PCs connect via RPD to RDS Server, where the application is now. So there is no need for the RDS to talk to the File Server?

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                                  • CCWTechC
                                    CCWTech
                                    last edited by

                                    OLD: Full desktop, and yes access to the file server share

                                    New/Current: Yes, some are RDS and some are through SMB. I have always put the application closest to the users as possible. RDS the application is fast, via file share is slow.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @CCWTech
                                      last edited by

                                      @ccwtech said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

                                      OLD: Full desktop, and yes access to the file server share

                                      New/Current: Yes, some are RDS and some are through SMB. I have always put the application closest to the users as possible. RDS the application is fast, via file share is slow.

                                      So RDS is for remote workers, and launch via SMB is for onsite users?

                                      I'd double check the VMQ settings on the host.

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                                      • CCWTechC
                                        CCWTech
                                        last edited by

                                        No, all are onsite. Some are PC's and connect with file share. Some are thin clients and use RDS.

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                                        • pmonchoP
                                          pmoncho @CCWTech
                                          last edited by

                                          @ccwtech

                                          I am wondering if the best solution is just use RDS all around if you have enough licenses. Heck, W2016 is good for the next 10 years. I don't bother with SMB for my local file based app. Doing SMB cost to much in time with sporatic SMB issues (every few months) that would dork up DB files. Going RDS all around saved our company a bunch of money over the last 20 years.

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                                          • CCWTechC
                                            CCWTech @pmoncho
                                            last edited by

                                            @pmoncho Not a bad idea. Some of them must be via the file share or things like lab equipment won't work. The software isn't officially supported over RDS, the file share is the preferred method. I wouldn't waist much time if I wasn't going to be setting up another 30 or so of these in the next year or two.

                                            The biggest thing that is different here (that I can think of) is the version of Windows Server.

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