What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video
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Now - again, JB will say I'm being an alarmist or whatever he wants to call me today. And that might be true in his opinion. But I say it's important to be blatantly informed because by default the masses are just to lazy to dig into this kind of stuff.
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@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
But I say it's important to be blatantly informed because by default the masses are just to lazy to dig into this kind of stuff.
Yes, this is true.
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@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@coliver said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@coliver said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dustinb3403 said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dustinb3403 said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
Time for me to look into prepaid. my bill can drop from $124 to $85 each after taxes.
Or you could just go T-Mobile and get unlimited everything for a flat $70 per month, taxes and fees included.
Prioritization is actually 50GB with TMo, not 22.
Unlimited with att prepaid is $60 now
Before taxes.
Is this weird? Any time I look to buy something I immediately assume it's before tax and S&H. Are most items in your part of the country listed including taxes?
My main point was to point out that I'm currently paying around $122/m after taxes...
The ATT Prepaid unlimited is $60 for first, and $55 for second, plus taxes makes it about $125 after tax... so it's a pretty close wash as far as price goes, and it moves me from 15 Shared GB/m to unlimited* (* data speeds slowed after 22 GB at ATT's discretion).
I was just asking, as sometimes I find I'm the "weird" one.
It would make sense for taxes to be included in the sticker price. Not sure why NY, and other states, don't do that.
Yes and no. I like the simplicity of seeing a price on the shelf and knowing that that's the price I'm spending before I walk up to the checkout counter (a la most of Europe - maybe more places), but I don't like that fact that the taxes then become a buried thing and basically we the people become divorced from what we are being charged for taxes.
You can't have it both ways. FFS stop bitching up both sides of the river.
I'm also not really sure what he's trying to get at? Taxes don't become buried if they are added to the sticker price. It is still incredibly easy to find sales tax rates for counties/states, as well as tax rates for specific things.
It is? The tax rates of things were not broken out on many receipts when I was traveling... But almost all, if not all do in the US - the major exception is gasoline. Normal people (myself included) have no clue how much of the cost of gasoline is taxes.
Hiding this information only serves to keep people from rioting when they see high taxes.In NY you pay 45 cents per gallon. With an additional 16 cents per gallon for federal taxes. So 61 cents per gallon is taxes. This is slightly lower if you don't live in NYC and slightly higher depending on local sales taxes. Just a decent ball park figure.
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@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
Now - again, JB will say I'm being an alarmist or whatever he wants to call me today. And that might be true in his opinion. But I say it's important to be blatantly informed because by default the masses are just to lazy to dig into this kind of stuff.
So catering to lazy people is the way to go!
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@nerdydad said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
DISCLAIMER: I do not mean to become political with this next statement, but want to ask a question historically.
Net Neutrality was an Obama era policy put in place by the FCC. So NN was not that old. What prompted for NN to be implemented in the first place? What problem was it supposed to fix administratively?
"Obama era policy".. I've heard this parroted over and over again. It's not even relevant who was president when the regulations were put into place. I feel like that's just a way to phrase it to put it in a certain negative light. The neutrality of our Internet was a concern to a lot of people back then and both Democrats and Republicans were in agreement on the issue, which is why the regulations were put in place.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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@coliver said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
Now - again, JB will say I'm being an alarmist or whatever he wants to call me today. And that might be true in his opinion. But I say it's important to be blatantly informed because by default the masses are just to lazy to dig into this kind of stuff.
So catering to lazy people is the way to go!
Good technology definitely does.
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@coliver said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@coliver said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@coliver said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dustinb3403 said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dustinb3403 said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
Time for me to look into prepaid. my bill can drop from $124 to $85 each after taxes.
Or you could just go T-Mobile and get unlimited everything for a flat $70 per month, taxes and fees included.
Prioritization is actually 50GB with TMo, not 22.
Unlimited with att prepaid is $60 now
Before taxes.
Is this weird? Any time I look to buy something I immediately assume it's before tax and S&H. Are most items in your part of the country listed including taxes?
My main point was to point out that I'm currently paying around $122/m after taxes...
The ATT Prepaid unlimited is $60 for first, and $55 for second, plus taxes makes it about $125 after tax... so it's a pretty close wash as far as price goes, and it moves me from 15 Shared GB/m to unlimited* (* data speeds slowed after 22 GB at ATT's discretion).
I was just asking, as sometimes I find I'm the "weird" one.
It would make sense for taxes to be included in the sticker price. Not sure why NY, and other states, don't do that.
Yes and no. I like the simplicity of seeing a price on the shelf and knowing that that's the price I'm spending before I walk up to the checkout counter (a la most of Europe - maybe more places), but I don't like that fact that the taxes then become a buried thing and basically we the people become divorced from what we are being charged for taxes.
You can't have it both ways. FFS stop bitching up both sides of the river.
I'm also not really sure what he's trying to get at? Taxes don't become buried if they are added to the sticker price. It is still incredibly easy to find sales tax rates for counties/states, as well as tax rates for specific things.
It is? The tax rates of things were not broken out on many receipts when I was traveling... But almost all, if not all do in the US - the major exception is gasoline. Normal people (myself included) have no clue how much of the cost of gasoline is taxes.
Hiding this information only serves to keep people from rioting when they see high taxes.In NY you pay 45 cents per gallon. With an additional 16 cents per gallon for federal taxes. So 61 cents per gallon is taxes. This is slightly lower if you don't live in NYC and slightly higher depending on local sales taxes. Just a decent ball park figure.
I have client in the industry. I can get the cost of the fuel coming out of the pipeline, if you want.
Taxes for Fuel are not added until the terminal dispenses the fuel into the tanker truck.
Those taxes are Federal and State. Any Local or Sales tax is the only tax added at the station.
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@dave247 said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@nerdydad said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
DISCLAIMER: I do not mean to become political with this next statement, but want to ask a question historically.
Net Neutrality was an Obama era policy put in place by the FCC. So NN was not that old. What prompted for NN to be implemented in the first place? What problem was it supposed to fix administratively?
"Obama era policy".. I've heard this parroted over and over again. It's not even relevant who was president when the regulations were put into place. I feel like that's just a way to phrase it to put it in a certain negative light. The neutrality of our Internet was a concern to a lot of people back then and both Democrats and Republicans were in agreement on the issue, which is why the regulations were put in place.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
You're not wrong, although the Republican leadership today wants to dismantle things put in place by the predecessor.
It's usually every other president that gets things to stay on the books. As soon as there is a change with which party is in charge do things become tumultuous.
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@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@coliver said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dustinb3403 said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dustinb3403 said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
Time for me to look into prepaid. my bill can drop from $124 to $85 each after taxes.
Or you could just go T-Mobile and get unlimited everything for a flat $70 per month, taxes and fees included.
Prioritization is actually 50GB with TMo, not 22.
Unlimited with att prepaid is $60 now
Before taxes.
Is this weird? Any time I look to buy something I immediately assume it's before tax and S&H. Are most items in your part of the country listed including taxes?
My main point was to point out that I'm currently paying around $122/m after taxes...
The ATT Prepaid unlimited is $60 for first, and $55 for second, plus taxes makes it about $125 after tax... so it's a pretty close wash as far as price goes, and it moves me from 15 Shared GB/m to unlimited* (* data speeds slowed after 22 GB at ATT's discretion).
I was just asking, as sometimes I find I'm the "weird" one.
It would make sense for taxes to be included in the sticker price. Not sure why NY, and other states, don't do that.
Yes and no. I like the simplicity of seeing a price on the shelf and knowing that that's the price I'm spending before I walk up to the checkout counter (a la most of Europe - maybe more places), but I don't like that fact that the taxes then become a buried thing and basically we the people become divorced from what we are being charged for taxes.
You can't have it both ways. FFS stop bitching up both sides of the river.
Good morning sunshine. Given the choice, I'll keep it like it is in the US - don't include taxes.
Why? It just complicates things.
Imagine if you weren't shown the total amount when pumping gas....
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@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@coliver said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@coliver said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@coliver said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dustinb3403 said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dustinb3403 said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
Time for me to look into prepaid. my bill can drop from $124 to $85 each after taxes.
Or you could just go T-Mobile and get unlimited everything for a flat $70 per month, taxes and fees included.
Prioritization is actually 50GB with TMo, not 22.
Unlimited with att prepaid is $60 now
Before taxes.
Is this weird? Any time I look to buy something I immediately assume it's before tax and S&H. Are most items in your part of the country listed including taxes?
My main point was to point out that I'm currently paying around $122/m after taxes...
The ATT Prepaid unlimited is $60 for first, and $55 for second, plus taxes makes it about $125 after tax... so it's a pretty close wash as far as price goes, and it moves me from 15 Shared GB/m to unlimited* (* data speeds slowed after 22 GB at ATT's discretion).
I was just asking, as sometimes I find I'm the "weird" one.
It would make sense for taxes to be included in the sticker price. Not sure why NY, and other states, don't do that.
Yes and no. I like the simplicity of seeing a price on the shelf and knowing that that's the price I'm spending before I walk up to the checkout counter (a la most of Europe - maybe more places), but I don't like that fact that the taxes then become a buried thing and basically we the people become divorced from what we are being charged for taxes.
You can't have it both ways. FFS stop bitching up both sides of the river.
I'm also not really sure what he's trying to get at? Taxes don't become buried if they are added to the sticker price. It is still incredibly easy to find sales tax rates for counties/states, as well as tax rates for specific things.
It is? The tax rates of things were not broken out on many receipts when I was traveling... But almost all, if not all do in the US - the major exception is gasoline. Normal people (myself included) have no clue how much of the cost of gasoline is taxes.
Hiding this information only serves to keep people from rioting when they see high taxes.In NY you pay 45 cents per gallon. With an additional 16 cents per gallon for federal taxes. So 61 cents per gallon is taxes. This is slightly lower if you don't live in NYC and slightly higher depending on local sales taxes. Just a decent ball park figure.
I have client in the industry. I can get the cost of the fuel coming out of the pipeline, if you want.
Taxes for Fuel are not added until the terminal dispenses the fuel into the tanker truck.
Those taxes are Federal and State. Any Local or Sales tax is the only tax added at the station.
That would be interesting to know, if you can.
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@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@coliver said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dustinb3403 said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dustinb3403 said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
Time for me to look into prepaid. my bill can drop from $124 to $85 each after taxes.
Or you could just go T-Mobile and get unlimited everything for a flat $70 per month, taxes and fees included.
Prioritization is actually 50GB with TMo, not 22.
Unlimited with att prepaid is $60 now
Before taxes.
Is this weird? Any time I look to buy something I immediately assume it's before tax and S&H. Are most items in your part of the country listed including taxes?
My main point was to point out that I'm currently paying around $122/m after taxes...
The ATT Prepaid unlimited is $60 for first, and $55 for second, plus taxes makes it about $125 after tax... so it's a pretty close wash as far as price goes, and it moves me from 15 Shared GB/m to unlimited* (* data speeds slowed after 22 GB at ATT's discretion).
I was just asking, as sometimes I find I'm the "weird" one.
It would make sense for taxes to be included in the sticker price. Not sure why NY, and other states, don't do that.
Yes and no. I like the simplicity of seeing a price on the shelf and knowing that that's the price I'm spending before I walk up to the checkout counter (a la most of Europe - maybe more places), but I don't like that fact that the taxes then become a buried thing and basically we the people become divorced from what we are being charged for taxes.
You can't have it both ways. FFS stop bitching up both sides of the river.
Good morning sunshine. Given the choice, I'll keep it like it is in the US - don't include taxes.
Why? It just complicates things.
Imagine if you weren't shown the total amount when pumping gas....
How is that any different than when I'm not shown the total for a pair of pants on the shelf.
It boils down to the checkout process. I know tons of people who buy gas $20 at a time, so I get that you need to know the full checkout price so you don't buy more than you want - the is particularly important at the pump.
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@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@coliver said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dustinb3403 said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dustinb3403 said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@bigbear said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
Time for me to look into prepaid. my bill can drop from $124 to $85 each after taxes.
Or you could just go T-Mobile and get unlimited everything for a flat $70 per month, taxes and fees included.
Prioritization is actually 50GB with TMo, not 22.
Unlimited with att prepaid is $60 now
Before taxes.
Is this weird? Any time I look to buy something I immediately assume it's before tax and S&H. Are most items in your part of the country listed including taxes?
My main point was to point out that I'm currently paying around $122/m after taxes...
The ATT Prepaid unlimited is $60 for first, and $55 for second, plus taxes makes it about $125 after tax... so it's a pretty close wash as far as price goes, and it moves me from 15 Shared GB/m to unlimited* (* data speeds slowed after 22 GB at ATT's discretion).
I was just asking, as sometimes I find I'm the "weird" one.
It would make sense for taxes to be included in the sticker price. Not sure why NY, and other states, don't do that.
Yes and no. I like the simplicity of seeing a price on the shelf and knowing that that's the price I'm spending before I walk up to the checkout counter (a la most of Europe - maybe more places), but I don't like that fact that the taxes then become a buried thing and basically we the people become divorced from what we are being charged for taxes.
You can't have it both ways. FFS stop bitching up both sides of the river.
Good morning sunshine. Given the choice, I'll keep it like it is in the US - don't include taxes.
Why? It just complicates things.
Imagine if you weren't shown the total amount when pumping gas....
How is that any different than when I'm not shown the total for a pair of pants on the shelf.
It boils down to the checkout process. I know tons of people who buy gas $20 at a time, so I get that you need to know the full checkout price so you don't buy more than you want - the is particularly important at the pump.
It's just a really weird and actually a deceiving concept. You can tell it has U.S. written all over that concept.
You go to the store, you see a price, that's what you should pay... don't tell me later that "oh, well actually it's more than we showed you when you picked it out, cuz taxes yo..."
What's so hard about including that on the price tag. If I buy something and the price tag says $10 and I have to pay more later, it's weird and deceitful to make it look cheaper than it really is, that's what it comes down to. Put on the price tag that it's $10.70 instead and be done with it.
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@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
It's just a really weird and actually a deceiving concept. You can tell it has U.S. written all over that concept.
In Japan, it is a 50/50 shot on whether or not they display the post tax price or not.
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@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
It's just a really weird and actually a deceiving concept. You can tell it has U.S. written all over that concept.
In Japan, it is a 50/50 shot on whether or not they display the post tax price or not.
That's gotta be really confusing then... does it say whether or not it's included or don't you find out until you pay?
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@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
It's just a really weird and actually a deceiving concept. You can tell it has U.S. written all over that concept.
In Japan, it is a 50/50 shot on whether or not they display the post tax price or not.
That's gotta be really confusing then... does it say whether or not it's included or don't you find out until you pay?
It is usually noted on the shelves.
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@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
It's just a really weird and actually a deceiving concept. You can tell it has U.S. written all over that concept.
In Japan, it is a 50/50 shot on whether or not they display the post tax price or not.
Holy hell - that has to be a nightmare for consumers.
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@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
It's just a really weird and actually a deceiving concept. You can tell it has U.S. written all over that concept.
In Japan, it is a 50/50 shot on whether or not they display the post tax price or not.
Holy hell - that has to be a nightmare for consumers.
Why to have things marked? Stop jumping to conclusions. I clarified in the second post that it is marked if it does or does not include.
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@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@dashrender said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@jaredbusch said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
@tim_g said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
It's just a really weird and actually a deceiving concept. You can tell it has U.S. written all over that concept.
In Japan, it is a 50/50 shot on whether or not they display the post tax price or not.
Holy hell - that has to be a nightmare for consumers.
Why to have things marked? Stop jumping to conclusions. I clarified in the second post that it is marked if it does or does not include.
Even so - sure, the marking tells me if it does or doesn't include tax.. but still a PITA.
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If we had a choice to make changes to society, I would say that we need to include the taxes into the price in order to make it easier for consumers, since, as we have already established, they are so lazy. Raise taxes? Price goes up. No one will ever know the reason why.
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@nerdydad said in What Net Neutrality Means to You SAMIT Video:
If we had a choice to make changes to society, I would say that we need to include the taxes into the price in order to make it easier for consumers, since, as we have already established, they are so lazy. Raise taxes? Price goes up. No one will ever know the reason why.
Yup, I prefer that system. Taxes in peoples' faces at best is annoying ,at worst causes emotional reactions to things that they have not through through.
