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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
It's a pretty huge problem either way - you don't want to be infected - I totally get that, but the advertisers want to ensure value, which means either the site has to provide data to the advertiser - which would be possibly easy for the site owner to fake, so the advertisers demand managing that part themselves. Plus the added benefit of the extra info they get from your visitors via tracking, etc.
Again, you are talking about something different that we are. No one is talking about blocking ads. We are talking about blocking people with ad blockers. Two different things. What you are talking about doesn't apply to the discussion that we are having.
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My other concern is the ad networks themselves are a huge security risk and infection vector. I don't want that stuff.
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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
We could have websites just put up paywalls everywhere.
Like Hulu or Cable? They do both. That's part of the problem.
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@tim_g said in YouTube TV:
My other concern is the ad networks themselves are a huge security risk and infection vector. I don't want that stuff.
Exactly.
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@tim_g said in YouTube TV:
If you rely on ads on a website for your income, then you need to reconsider your line of work. It's like flipping burgers for a living and complaining you don't get paid enough.
And if that is your revenue you need to reconsider telling customers to go away by blocking them.
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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
It's a pretty huge problem either way - you don't want to be infected - I totally get that, but the advertisers want to ensure value, which means either the site has to provide data to the advertiser - which would be possibly easy for the site owner to fake, so the advertisers demand managing that part themselves. Plus the added benefit of the extra info they get from your visitors via tracking, etc.
Again, you are talking about something different that we are. No one is talking about blocking ads. We are talking about blocking people with ad blockers. Two different things. What you are talking about doesn't apply to the discussion that we are having.
How do you figure? The only way the site knows you have an ad blocker is if you are blocking ads right? Or are you saying they are actively looking for say uBlock Origin installs, and even if it's off, you're blocked from the site?
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@tim_g said in YouTube TV:
My other concern is the ad networks themselves are a huge security risk and infection vector. I don't want that stuff.
I do agree with this point. The automation and lack of curation have put us at risk.
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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
It's a pretty huge problem either way - you don't want to be infected - I totally get that, but the advertisers want to ensure value, which means either the site has to provide data to the advertiser - which would be possibly easy for the site owner to fake, so the advertisers demand managing that part themselves. Plus the added benefit of the extra info they get from your visitors via tracking, etc.
Again, you are talking about something different that we are. No one is talking about blocking ads. We are talking about blocking people with ad blockers. Two different things. What you are talking about doesn't apply to the discussion that we are having.
How do you figure? The only way the site knows you have an ad blocker is if you are blocking ads right? Or are you saying they are actively looking for say uBlock Origin installs, and even if it's off, you're blocked from the site?
Either way, they don't give you a chance to unblock or to only view ads that are from non-blocked sources. Blocking people with ad blockers means that they are sending a message before you have decided to unblock them. Hence my point - they don't know that you would unblock, and that's the discussion we were having.
You visit Huly, decide that they are jerk faces, and leave. Maybe you'd have unblocked them, had they not blocked us.
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Ads are like unvaccinated children. They shouldn't exist, but they do, so one must be sure to actively avoid contact with them.
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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
You visit Huly, decide that they are jerk faces, and leave. Maybe you'd have unblocked them, had they not blocked us.
This is so incredibly unlikely as to not be worth even discussing.
Normal people who turn on ad blockers will never turn them off, unless that's the only way to get the content. Those who troll around these parts are the rare few that might find real value in disabling them to provide funds back to the sites we visit.
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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
You visit Huly, decide that they are jerk faces, and leave. Maybe you'd have unblocked them, had they not blocked us.
This is so incredibly unlikely as to not be worth even discussing.
Normal people who turn on ad blockers will never turn them off, unless that's the only way to get the content. Those who troll around these parts are the rare few that might find real value in disabling them to provide funds back to the sites we visit.
Maybe, but that's not the point. The point was they block people who block ad blockers, it's not about the ads.
