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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
As you are a proponent of keeping posts around forever for educational purposes you could be seen as infringing on the right to be forgotten of a person who chooses to leave the forums.
Nope, and if you think so, you've completely missed the conversation.
You've clearly missed the boat if this is what you believe. Look at the court cases that have sided with people asking google (etc) to delete content that the person originally published!
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
If they can't delete the content they've posted because they no longer have access to the account, but asked you to, you would have to comply with that request.
As there is no Right to be Forgotten, why do you think this?
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
@scottalanmiller said in SW rant time:
@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
If they can't delete the content they've posted because they no longer have access to the account, but asked you to, you would have to comply with that request.
How? if they've deleted their account, how are they the owners of the data? How can they prove that they owned it if they voluntarily gave up that association?
Again look at the cases I've mentioned already. Here is another link to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Spain_v_AEPD_and_Mario_Costeja_González
What does Spain have to do with it?
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
As you are a proponent of keeping posts around forever for educational purposes you could be seen as infringing on the right to be forgotten of a person who chooses to leave the forums.
But there is no such right, so the degree of illogical here is staggering. I don't know how to explain any of this to you. The amount of "none of this is what you think" is so deep that I'm not sure where to start.
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
@scottalanmiller said in SW rant time:
@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
If they can't delete the content they've posted because they no longer have access to the account, but asked you to, you would have to comply with that request.
As there is no Right to be Forgotten, why do you think this?
In the US there is no right to be forgotten. In the EU there is, which means you'd (mangolassi.it) would very likely be expected to comply with these types of ruling.
We are not in the EU, therefore there is no such law.
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
@scottalanmiller said in SW rant time:
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
If they can't delete the content they've posted because they no longer have access to the account, but asked you to, you would have to comply with that request.
How? if they've deleted their account, how are they the owners of the data? How can they prove that they owned it if they voluntarily gave up that association?
Again look at the cases I've mentioned already. Here is another link to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Spain_v_AEPD_and_Mario_Costeja_González
What does Spain have to do with it?
omfg. . .
Maybe you think Spain is a US State? It is not, it is a country in the EU.
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Things that I see wrong...
- You think that things on forums are not public postings like billboards. They are, period.
- You think that things that are said in situ in conversations that have been quoted are original content, they are not.
- You think that the US is covered by foreign laws, it is not.
- You think that account deletion is directly related to content deletion, there is no such association.
You are putting several misconceptions about the world together into one big mess of confusion. All of these are completely wrong. And you require all of them for your basis of argument here.
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
@scottalanmiller said in SW rant time:
@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
@scottalanmiller said in SW rant time:
@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
@scottalanmiller said in SW rant time:
@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
If they can't delete the content they've posted because they no longer have access to the account, but asked you to, you would have to comply with that request.
How? if they've deleted their account, how are they the owners of the data? How can they prove that they owned it if they voluntarily gave up that association?
Again look at the cases I've mentioned already. Here is another link to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Spain_v_AEPD_and_Mario_Costeja_González
What does Spain have to do with it?
omfg. . .
Maybe you think Spain is a US State? It is not, it is a country in the EU.
No I don't.
Then why did you bring it up?
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
@scottalanmiller said in SW rant time:
@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
If they can't delete the content they've posted because they no longer have access to the account, but asked you to, you would have to comply with that request.
As there is no Right to be Forgotten, why do you think this?
In the US there is no right to be forgotten. In the EU there is, which means you'd (mangolassi.it) would very likely be expected to comply with these types of ruling.
IF we were in the EU, sure. But this is still a community discussion and not likely subject to those laws. And still, this isn't related to what we were discussing. Which is the false association between deleting your control of content with the deletion of that content.
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
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@scottalanmiller said in SW rant time:
@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
If they can't delete the content they've posted because they no longer have access to the account, but asked you to, you would have to comply with that request.
How? if they've deleted their account, how are they the owners of the data? How can they prove that they owned it if they voluntarily gave up that association?
Again look at the cases I've mentioned already. Here is another link to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Spain_v_AEPD_and_Mario_Costeja_González
What does Spain have to do with it?
omfg. . .
Maybe you think Spain is a US State? It is not, it is a country in the EU.
No I don't.
Then why did you bring it up?
Does this forum allow users from Spain? Or any country from which a person might be covered under the "right to be forgotten"?
If so, yes you are required to be compliant with those countries laws, otherwise disallow users from those countries to post.
Where users ARE isn't related to the conversation. So again, why bring it up?
No, if yes we are NOT covered by laws of their country. In no way, whatsoever, is that how the law works.
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@scottalanmiller said in SW rant time:
@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
If they can't delete the content they've posted because they no longer have access to the account, but asked you to, you would have to comply with that request.
How? if they've deleted their account, how are they the owners of the data? How can they prove that they owned it if they voluntarily gave up that association?
Again look at the cases I've mentioned already. Here is another link to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Spain_v_AEPD_and_Mario_Costeja_González
What does Spain have to do with it?
omfg. . .
Maybe you think Spain is a US State? It is not, it is a country in the EU.
No I don't.
Then why did you bring it up?
Does this forum allow users from Spain? Or any country from which a person might be covered under the "right to be forgotten"?
If so, yes you are required to be compliant with those countries laws, otherwise disallow users from those countries to post.
Where users ARE isn't related to the conversation. So again, why bring it up?
No, if yes we are NOT covered by laws of their country. In no way, whatsoever, is that how the law works.
Tell google that. . .
Google is in Spain, and again, nothing like anything we are discussing. That you keep bringing up unrelated topics tells me that you very confused. How do you think Google relates here?
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So an EU company is covered by EU laws, and a US company is covered by US laws. That Google is covered by the laws of their jurisdiction supports my point, not yours. Yours is that all laws in the universe have no jurisdiction and apply globally. What if Canada had a law that said that was a "right to be remembered." We have Canadians here. How would directly conflicting laws (which already happens between the EU and US) be handled? You are saying not only that laws of any random jurisdiction should apply, but that foreign ones should trump the domestic ones.
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@dustinb3403 just as good as my suggestion!
