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    • JaredBuschJ
      JaredBusch @bj
      last edited by

      @bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

      proxmox

      Why can't this thing die in a fire....

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      • black3dynamiteB
        black3dynamite @JaredBusch
        last edited by black3dynamite

        @jaredbusch said in virtualize all the things... ?:

        @bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

        proxmox

        Why can't this thing die in a fire....

        Is it the product or people behind it or both that can't stand?

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @black3dynamite
          last edited by

          @black3dynamite said in virtualize all the things... ?:

          @jaredbusch said in virtualize all the things... ?:

          @bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

          proxmox

          Why can't this thing die in a fire....

          Is it the product or people behind it or both that can't stand?

          Both really. It's a terrible company with a weird product that doesn't really have any purpose in the market.

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          • bjB
            bj
            last edited by

            It was in use before I got here, and though we don't pay for it (we have to deal with annoying reminders, but otherwise it seems to work fine) it seems to work ok. What solution do you prefer?

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            • wirestyle22W
              wirestyle22 @bj
              last edited by

              @bj I don't personally use anything like proxmox. What does it offer you that you cannot live without?

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              • JaredBuschJ
                JaredBusch @bj
                last edited by JaredBusch

                @bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                It was in use before I got here, and though we don't pay for it (we have to deal with annoying reminders, but otherwise it seems to work fine) it seems to work ok. What solution do you prefer?

                In order?

                1. Hyper-V Server
                2. KVM (Fedora based)
                3. KVM (CentOS based)

                Note: This is production preferences. Not lab.

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                • wirestyle22W
                  wirestyle22 @JaredBusch
                  last edited by

                  @jaredbusch said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                  @bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                  It was in use before I got here, and though we don't pay for it (we have to deal with annoying reminders, but otherwise it seems to work fine) it seems to work ok. What solution do you prefer?

                  In order?

                  1. Hyper-V Server
                  2. KVM (Fedora based)
                  3. KVM (CentOS based)

                  Proxmox is a hypervisor? wat

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403 @wirestyle22
                    last edited by

                    @wirestyle22 said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                    @jaredbusch said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                    @bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                    It was in use before I got here, and though we don't pay for it (we have to deal with annoying reminders, but otherwise it seems to work fine) it seems to work ok. What solution do you prefer?

                    In order?

                    1. Hyper-V Server
                    2. KVM (Fedora based)
                    3. KVM (CentOS based)

                    Proxmox is a hypervisor? wat

                    Yeah. .

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                    • wirestyle22W
                      wirestyle22 @DustinB3403
                      last edited by

                      @dustinb3403 said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                      @wirestyle22 said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                      @jaredbusch said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                      @bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                      It was in use before I got here, and though we don't pay for it (we have to deal with annoying reminders, but otherwise it seems to work fine) it seems to work ok. What solution do you prefer?

                      In order?

                      1. Hyper-V Server
                      2. KVM (Fedora based)
                      3. KVM (CentOS based)

                      Proxmox is a hypervisor? wat

                      Yeah. .

                      I guess there is a reason this is the first time I've ever heard of it being brought up. I thought it worked in tandem with a hypervisor to make managing the VM's easier

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                      • travisdh1T
                        travisdh1 @wirestyle22
                        last edited by

                        @wirestyle22 said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                        @jaredbusch said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                        @bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                        It was in use before I got here, and though we don't pay for it (we have to deal with annoying reminders, but otherwise it seems to work fine) it seems to work ok. What solution do you prefer?

                        In order?

                        1. Hyper-V Server
                        2. KVM (Fedora based)
                        3. KVM (CentOS based)

                        Proxmox is a hypervisor? wat

                        It's really just a management interface. It's how I trained myself on command line management because it'd mess things up for you when we were running it.

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                        • bjB
                          bj
                          last edited by

                          Yeah, it's just a management interface. It simplifies management somewhat.

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                          • wirestyle22W
                            wirestyle22 @bj
                            last edited by

                            @bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                            Yeah, it's just a management interface. It simplifies management somewhat.

                            That was my impression. I guess JB is just saying you don't need anything more than what hyper-v and KVM offers, which is true.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
                              last edited by

                              @wirestyle22 said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                              @bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                              Yeah, it's just a management interface. It simplifies management somewhat.

                              That was my impression. I guess JB is just saying you don't need anything more than what hyper-v and KVM offers, which is true.

                              ProxMox is a package, like XenServer. It takes KVM and some container tech and merges them together under a single interface. It's a bit silly.

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                              • stacksofplatesS
                                stacksofplates @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                                @wirestyle22 said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                                @bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                                Yeah, it's just a management interface. It simplifies management somewhat.

                                That was my impression. I guess JB is just saying you don't need anything more than what hyper-v and KVM offers, which is true.

                                ProxMox is a package, like XenServer. It takes KVM and some container tech and merges them together under a single interface. It's a bit silly.

                                And now defaults to ZFS if it wasn't bad enough before.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
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                                  @stacksofplates said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                                  @wirestyle22 said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                                  @bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                                  Yeah, it's just a management interface. It simplifies management somewhat.

                                  That was my impression. I guess JB is just saying you don't need anything more than what hyper-v and KVM offers, which is true.

                                  ProxMox is a package, like XenServer. It takes KVM and some container tech and merges them together under a single interface. It's a bit silly.

                                  And now defaults to ZFS if it wasn't bad enough before.

                                  Oh yeah, I had heard that.

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                                  • bjB
                                    bj
                                    last edited by

                                    I would like to move away from proxmox, but haven't decided which direction to go. Also... making those migrations isn't easy when you are short on hardware. I do, however, like having an interface for day to day maintenance. I love the cli, but for some things a gui is nice. In my opinion, this is one of those things.

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                                    • JaredBuschJ
                                      JaredBusch @bj
                                      last edited by

                                      @bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                                      I would like to move away from proxmox, but haven't decided which direction to go. Also... making those migrations isn't easy when you are short on hardware. I do, however, like having an interface for day to day maintenance. I love the cli, but for some things a gui is nice. In my opinion, this is one of those things.

                                      If I had that in place, I would stay with KVM. Just Install a Fedora 26 system and the virtualization.

                                      Then Manage it from your Fedora desktop with virt-manager.

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                                      • black3dynamiteB
                                        black3dynamite @bj
                                        last edited by

                                        @bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                                        I would like to move away from proxmox, but haven't decided which direction to go. Also... making those migrations isn't easy when you are short on hardware. I do, however, like having an interface for day to day maintenance. I love the cli, but for some things a gui is nice. In my opinion, this is one of those things.

                                        Depending on which version of proxmox you have and if you stick with KVM, you can backup the *.qcow2 images and import the disk image using virt-manager or by cli.

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                                        • JaredBuschJ
                                          JaredBusch @black3dynamite
                                          last edited by

                                          @black3dynamite said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                                          @bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                                          I would like to move away from proxmox, but haven't decided which direction to go. Also... making those migrations isn't easy when you are short on hardware. I do, however, like having an interface for day to day maintenance. I love the cli, but for some things a gui is nice. In my opinion, this is one of those things.

                                          Depending on which version of proxmox you have and if you stick with KVM, you can backup the *.qcow2 images and import the disk image using virt-manager or by cli.

                                          You don't "import" disks. You simply attache them to a virtual machine.

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                                          • bjB
                                            bj @JaredBusch
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                                            @jaredbusch said in virtualize all the things... ?:

                                            Then Manage it from your Fedora desktop

                                            I think I'd rather not install an entire desktop to manage VMs. That seems like taking a step in the wrong direction to me.

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