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    IT Certs - Not Entirely Accurate Report

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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
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      WGU is one if the infamous scam schools.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        All of those certs listed are super junior. Those are anything but the too certs. They are the "no one cares" certs more than anything.

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        • ?
          A Former User
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          I have most of those certs listed however, I've never even broke making half of what they list as the average salary. Either I'm severely underpaid or that report is very very wrong. I'm going with the latter.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
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            The thing that is tricky about those reports is that they list what people who have those certs make, not what people make because of those certs. They state a fact and let people draw other conclusions.

            Same way that colleges make degrees sound good.

            You could say that the average kindergarten graduate earns $30K a year and that is true. They leave out that the average kindergarten graduate is 42 years old and also graduated from high school and has some college and has 20+ years of work experience.

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            • IRJI
              IRJ @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said:

              The thing that is tricky about those reports is that they list what people who have those certs make, not what people make because of those certs. They state a fact and let people draw other conclusions.

              Same way that colleges make degrees sound good.

              You could say that the average kindergarten graduate earns $30K a year and that is true. They leave out that the average kindergarten graduate is 42 years old and also graduated from high school and has some college and has 20+ years of work experience.

              That report is still really high for Utah which is below average as far as IT salaries go. Maybe it would be accurate for Silicon Valley or NYC

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
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                Those numbers are super low for NYC and the Bay Area.

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                • IRJI
                  IRJ @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller

                  Entry level people make more than that?

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                  • ?
                    A Former User @scottalanmiller
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                    @scottalanmiller said:

                    Those numbers are super low for NYC and the Bay Area.

                    Super low for here too. Normally around mid to high 30k around here for helpdesk jobs. unless it's for a school, then the sys admin don't even make that.

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                    • IRJI
                      IRJ @A Former User
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                      @thecreativeone91 said:

                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      Those numbers are super low for NYC and the Bay Area.

                      Super low for here too. Normally around mid to high 30k around here for helpdesk jobs. unless it's for a school, then the sys admin don't even make that.

                      I am talking about the WGU report not the Indeed.com report

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @IRJ
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                        @IRJ said:

                        @scottalanmiller

                        Entry level people make more than that?

                        Can, yes. But those aren't entry level titles. Those are mid career titles.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller
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                          The WGY report is not entry level or starting. They are career averages for people holding those certs. So for network+ for example that would include my salary now. Very misleading.

                          This is how IT people mislead themselves in these studies. It doesn't state anything wrong. Everyone is just reading into it things that it doesn't say or even hint at. Read it carefully, it's useless data.

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                          • Bill KindleB
                            Bill Kindle @thanksajdotcom
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                            @ajstringham COMPTIA Security+
                            Average salary: $80,066

                            Wow, I'm grossly underpaid then...........

                            I've stopped looking at these "reports" because they are not based in reality.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @Bill Kindle
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                              @Bill-Kindle said:

                              @ajstringham COMPTIA Security+
                              Average salary: $80,066

                              Wow, I'm grossly underpaid then...........

                              I've stopped looking at these "reports" because they are not based in reality.

                              You aren't average career length or average career market though. You are misreading the stat. It's just an average of people holding that cert. You are much younger than average.

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                              • Bill KindleB
                                Bill Kindle @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller I've had that cert coming up on 6 years I think. Been working in IT in one capacity or another 10+ years now. I mean, unless 29 still means I'm too young......

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                                • Bill KindleB
                                  Bill Kindle @IRJ
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                                  @IRJ Those look closer to what I see.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @Bill Kindle
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                                    @Bill-Kindle said:

                                    @scottalanmiller I've had that cert coming up on 6 years I think. Been working in IT in one capacity or another 10+ years now. I mean, unless 29 still means I'm too young......

                                    It sure does. Average time in IT is more like 22 years and average age is like 43. And that's industry average. Average of those with certs is even higher.

                                    Step back and just try to define a certified industry average and use real numbers. You'll find that you are very young.

                                    I'm still young and have 25 years experience and am a decade older.

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                                    • thanksajdotcomT
                                      thanksajdotcom @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      @Bill-Kindle said:

                                      @scottalanmiller I've had that cert coming up on 6 years I think. Been working in IT in one capacity or another 10+ years now. I mean, unless 29 still means I'm too young......

                                      It sure does. Average time in IT is more like 22 years and average age is like 43. And that's industry average. Average of those with certs is even higher.

                                      Step back and just try to define a certified industry average and use real numbers. You'll find that you are very young.

                                      I'm still young and have 25 years experience and am a decade older.

                                      25 years is a bit of stretch. You haven't been in IT since you were 12. You might have started learning stuff at 12 but don't say you have 25 years of experiencing, as that's deceiving.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @thanksajdotcom
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                                        @ajstringham said:

                                        @scottalanmiller said:

                                        @Bill-Kindle said:

                                        @scottalanmiller I've had that cert coming up on 6 years I think. Been working in IT in one capacity or another 10+ years now. I mean, unless 29 still means I'm too young......

                                        It sure does. Average time in IT is more like 22 years and average age is like 43. And that's industry average. Average of those with certs is even higher.

                                        Step back and just try to define a certified industry average and use real numbers. You'll find that you are very young.

                                        I'm still young and have 25 years experience and am a decade older.

                                        25 years is a bit of stretch. You haven't been in IT since you were 12. You might have started learning stuff at 12 but don't say you have 25 years of experiencing, as that's deceiving.

                                        I'm 38. I started working as a corporate intern at 13 with Eastman Kodak. That's 25 years since I started. I started learning many years before that. I started programming in 1985.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller
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                                          That internship generated my first real job offer (outside of high school food service) when I was 17. It went quite well for me.

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                                          • thanksajdotcomT
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                                            @scottalanmiller said:

                                            That internship generated my first real job offer (outside of high school food service) when I was 17. It went quite well for me.

                                            That's more like 20 years then. Internships are limited experience. That's why they're internships.

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