Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian
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@Dashrender said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
The masses don't care that the kernel is the same across them, what they care about are the apps, and if the apps won't run, then the OSes might as well be as different as Mac OS is from Windows OS. And calling them Linux, or grouping them into Linux does nothing but serve to confuse things.
Exactly. And I wonder how much of that misnomer effect is caused by the competition? Say "Linux" enough and people will start repeating it. Eventually it becomes social unacceptable to provide correct information, even in IT communities, and there is little way to guide someone on how to do things.
The power of misdirection is significant.
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@coliver said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@PenguinWrangler said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
This is like my friends that are in the South that refer to all Soda drinks as "Coke"
It's better than "pop"
Or "soder".
Soder is something you bake with. Baking soder.
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@Dashrender said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
But those differences you mentioned aren't kernel differences, they are OS differences.
Exactly. They care which OS they have, they can't even tell which kernel they have. This is so dramatic that Ubuntu on Windows will work with Ubuntu Linux software instructions, even though it is not Linux. Yes RHEL instructions are useless for Ubuntu.
Also, while a huge pain, you can switch the RHEL and Ubuntu kernels back and forth without anyone really noticing, it has no effect on the user or software. There are actually projects that do this.
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@scottalanmiller said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@Dashrender said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
The masses don't care that the kernel is the same across them, what they care about are the apps, and if the apps won't run, then the OSes might as well be as different as Mac OS is from Windows OS. And calling them Linux, or grouping them into Linux does nothing but serve to confuse things.
Exactly. And I wonder how much of that misnomer effect is caused by the competition? Say "Linux" enough and people will start repeating it. Eventually it becomes social unacceptable to provide correct information, even in IT communities, and there is little way to guide someone on how to do things.
The power of misdirection is significant.
That's why I always try to clarify that I run Ubuntu or Mint and leave the Linux out of it. If y'all catch me doing it wrong, call me on it.
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@dafyre said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@coliver said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@PenguinWrangler said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
This is like my friends that are in the South that refer to all Soda drinks as "Coke"
It's better than "pop"
Or "soder".
Soder is something you bake with. Baking soder.
Yup, the same thing used to make the drinks
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@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@PenguinWrangler said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
This is like my friends that are in the South that refer to all Soda drinks as "Coke"
It's better than "pop"
Nope, not even close
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@Dashrender said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@PenguinWrangler said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
This is like my friends that are in the South that refer to all Soda drinks as "Coke"
It's better than "pop"
Nope, not even close
It's true. Pop is a nickname. Coke is a mistake.
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@Dashrender said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@PenguinWrangler said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
This is like my friends that are in the South that refer to all Soda drinks as "Coke"
It's better than "pop"
Nope, not even close
I refer to carbonated beverages as "soda", and use the actual name of the drink when referring to a specific one such as Sprite or Pepsi.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a soda as a coke... only when asking for a Coca Cola specifically.
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@Tim_G said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@Dashrender said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@PenguinWrangler said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
This is like my friends that are in the South that refer to all Soda drinks as "Coke"
It's better than "pop"
Nope, not even close
I refer to carbonated beverages as "soda", and use the actual name of the drink when referring to a specific one such as Sprite or Pepsi.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a soda as a coke... only when asking for a Coca Cola specifically.
Everything is "Coke" unless I want "Sprite" or "Dr. Pepper"...
The waiter / waitress will usually say "is Pepsi ok?"
To which my reply is, "Yeah, that's fine."
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@Tim_G said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@Dashrender said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@PenguinWrangler said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
This is like my friends that are in the South that refer to all Soda drinks as "Coke"
It's better than "pop"
Nope, not even close
I refer to carbonated beverages as "soda", and use the actual name of the drink when referring to a specific one such as Sprite or Pepsi.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a soda as a coke... only when asking for a Coca Cola specifically.
In Texas they don't know what soda is most of the time. You say Coke for soda and Coke Coke for Coke, Pepsi Coke for Pepsi and so forth.
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@dafyre said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@Tim_G said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@Dashrender said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@PenguinWrangler said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
This is like my friends that are in the South that refer to all Soda drinks as "Coke"
It's better than "pop"
Nope, not even close
I refer to carbonated beverages as "soda", and use the actual name of the drink when referring to a specific one such as Sprite or Pepsi.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a soda as a coke... only when asking for a Coca Cola specifically.
Everything is "Coke" unless I want "Sprite" or "Dr. Pepper"...
The waiter / waitress will usually say "is Pepsi ok?"
To which my reply is, "Yeah, that's fine."
That's where just saying soda is much handier.
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@Tim_G said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@Dashrender said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@PenguinWrangler said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
This is like my friends that are in the South that refer to all Soda drinks as "Coke"
It's better than "pop"
Nope, not even close
I refer to carbonated beverages as "soda", and use the actual name of the drink when referring to a specific one such as Sprite or Pepsi.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a soda as a coke... only when asking for a Coca Cola specifically.
You clearly haven't been to the south then.
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@scottalanmiller said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@Tim_G said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@Dashrender said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@PenguinWrangler said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
This is like my friends that are in the South that refer to all Soda drinks as "Coke"
It's better than "pop"
Nope, not even close
I refer to carbonated beverages as "soda", and use the actual name of the drink when referring to a specific one such as Sprite or Pepsi.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a soda as a coke... only when asking for a Coca Cola specifically.
In Texas they don't know what soda is most of the time. You say Coke for soda and Coke Coke for Coke, Pepsi Coke for Pepsi and so forth.
I have never seen this, but you're more traveled than I.
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@scottalanmiller said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@dafyre said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@Tim_G said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@Dashrender said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@PenguinWrangler said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
This is like my friends that are in the South that refer to all Soda drinks as "Coke"
It's better than "pop"
Nope, not even close
I refer to carbonated beverages as "soda", and use the actual name of the drink when referring to a specific one such as Sprite or Pepsi.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a soda as a coke... only when asking for a Coca Cola specifically.
Everything is "Coke" unless I want "Sprite" or "Dr. Pepper"...
The waiter / waitress will usually say "is Pepsi ok?"
To which my reply is, "Yeah, that's fine."
That's where just saying soda is much handier.
The whole idea of dumbing down the request for a drink is mind goggling to me. Coke means everything, but a sprint or DP? what about 7UP?
Seriously though, do most southern restaurants only carry coke/diet coke and no other options? that just seems weird.
You can't just go into a McD's and ask for a hamburger - there are 10 different options.
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@Dashrender said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@Tim_G said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@Dashrender said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@PenguinWrangler said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
This is like my friends that are in the South that refer to all Soda drinks as "Coke"
It's better than "pop"
Nope, not even close
I refer to carbonated beverages as "soda", and use the actual name of the drink when referring to a specific one such as Sprite or Pepsi.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a soda as a coke... only when asking for a Coca Cola specifically.
In Texas they don't know what soda is most of the time. You say Coke for soda and Coke Coke for Coke, Pepsi Coke for Pepsi and so forth.
I have never seen this, but you're more traveled than I.
Even my family does this
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@Dashrender said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@dafyre said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@Tim_G said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@Dashrender said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@PenguinWrangler said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
This is like my friends that are in the South that refer to all Soda drinks as "Coke"
It's better than "pop"
Nope, not even close
I refer to carbonated beverages as "soda", and use the actual name of the drink when referring to a specific one such as Sprite or Pepsi.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a soda as a coke... only when asking for a Coca Cola specifically.
Everything is "Coke" unless I want "Sprite" or "Dr. Pepper"...
The waiter / waitress will usually say "is Pepsi ok?"
To which my reply is, "Yeah, that's fine."
That's where just saying soda is much handier.
The whole idea of dumbing down the request for a drink is mind goggling to me. Coke means everything, but a sprint or DP? what about 7UP?
Seriously though, do most southern restaurants only carry coke/diet coke and no other options? that just seems weird.
You can't just go into a McD's and ask for a hamburger - there are 10 different options.
Yup, it's totally nonsensical. It's so bad that I often wonder if southerners are confused about how people talk about drinks in books or on television.
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@scottalanmiller said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@Dashrender said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@dafyre said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@Tim_G said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@Dashrender said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@wirestyle22 said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@PenguinWrangler said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
This is like my friends that are in the South that refer to all Soda drinks as "Coke"
It's better than "pop"
Nope, not even close
I refer to carbonated beverages as "soda", and use the actual name of the drink when referring to a specific one such as Sprite or Pepsi.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to a soda as a coke... only when asking for a Coca Cola specifically.
Everything is "Coke" unless I want "Sprite" or "Dr. Pepper"...
The waiter / waitress will usually say "is Pepsi ok?"
To which my reply is, "Yeah, that's fine."
That's where just saying soda is much handier.
The whole idea of dumbing down the request for a drink is mind goggling to me. Coke means everything, but a sprint or DP? what about 7UP?
Seriously though, do most southern restaurants only carry coke/diet coke and no other options? that just seems weird.
You can't just go into a McD's and ask for a hamburger - there are 10 different options.
Yup, it's totally nonsensical. It's so bad that I often wonder if southerners are confused about how people talk about drinks in books or on television.
Not this one. I'm what you folks outside o-the-south might call culturally sensitive.
*cough*snicker, snicker*cough*
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It's related to the you problem. Many southerns, Texas specifically, struggle with understanding the word "you". When speaking to Texas, you often have to adjust for their perceived meaning of the word. They use a non-English version of it, it's actually a form of Spanglish, where it means a singular you rather than the single or plural of English. English has no singular you, but the incredible Spanish influence in Texas has left the native Texans speaking Spanish but with English vocabulary in some weird spots, and this is one of them.
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@scottalanmiller said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
It's related to the you problem. Many southerns, Texas specifically, struggle with understanding the word "you". When speaking to Texas, you often have to adjust for their perceived meaning of the word. They use a non-English version of it, it's actually a form of Spanglish, where it means a singular you rather than the single or plural of English. English has no singular you, but the incredible Spanish influence in Texas has left the native Texans speaking Spanish but with English vocabulary in some weird spots, and this is one of them.
In the South East, it's Y'all for one or two people. More than three folks, and it's all y'all.
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@dafyre said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Proofs that Linux Is Not an Operating System with Ubuntu and Debian:
It's related to the you problem. Many southerns, Texas specifically, struggle with understanding the word "you". When speaking to Texas, you often have to adjust for their perceived meaning of the word. They use a non-English version of it, it's actually a form of Spanglish, where it means a singular you rather than the single or plural of English. English has no singular you, but the incredible Spanish influence in Texas has left the native Texans speaking Spanish but with English vocabulary in some weird spots, and this is one of them.
In the South East, it's Y'all for one or two people. More than three folks, and it's all y'all.
In Texas you is singular, y'all is plural but only directed and all y'all is "everyone."
