What did you have for lunch or dinner today?
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@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
The Texas historian Frank X. Tolbert attributes the invention of the hamburger to Fletcher Davis of Athens, Texas. Davis is believed to have sold hamburgers at his café at 115 Tyler Street in Athens, Texas, in the late 1880s, before bringing them to the 1904 St. Louis World's Fair.[2][3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger_in_the_United_States
My neck of the woods.
ANd he called it a hamburger why? Safe to assume that that is made up.
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@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
The Texas historian Frank X. Tolbert attributes the invention of the hamburger to Fletcher Davis of Athens, Texas. Davis is believed to have sold hamburgers at his café at 115 Tyler Street in Athens, Texas, in the late 1880s, before bringing them to the 1904 St. Louis World's Fair.[2][3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger_in_the_United_States
My neck of the woods.
ANd he called it a hamburger why? Safe to assume that that is made up.
http://mix96buffalo.com/the-origin-of-the-hamburger-is-at-the-erie-county-fair/
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@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
The Texas historian Frank X. Tolbert attributes the invention of the hamburger to Fletcher Davis of Athens, Texas. Davis is believed to have sold hamburgers at his café at 115 Tyler Street in Athens, Texas, in the late 1880s, before bringing them to the 1904 St. Louis World's Fair.[2][3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger_in_the_United_States
My neck of the woods.
Late 1880s just missed it already being known to the public in Buffalo at the fair. Looks like the first copycat, though.
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@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
The Texas historian Frank X. Tolbert attributes the invention of the hamburger to Fletcher Davis of Athens, Texas. Davis is believed to have sold hamburgers at his café at 115 Tyler Street in Athens, Texas, in the late 1880s, before bringing them to the 1904 St. Louis World's Fair.[2][3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger_in_the_United_States
My neck of the woods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erie_County_Fair#Birthplace_of_the_Hamburger
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@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
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There is reference to the Buffalo Express newspaper having run an article on the hamburger before the Texas claim was even made. And the Texas claim was decades later and "oh I used to sell these" somewhere that no one can verify. The 1885 date in NY is verified as a public sale of the hamburger and predates the Wisconsin claim by six weeks. It's both the oldest verified claim AND the only one that makes sense given the name.
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@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller Give me a bit. Researching...{loading}
There is reference to the Buffalo Express newspaper having run an article on the hamburger before the Texas claim was even made. And the Texas claim was decades later and "oh I used to sell these" somewhere that no one can verify. The 1885 date in NY is verified as a public sale of the hamburger and predates the Wisconsin claim by six weeks. It's both the oldest verified claim AND the only one that makes sense given the name.
Now hold on. Germans have been known to have settled in Texas pre-Civil War era. This might be a stretch, but could have been developed and attributed to Hamburg as well. Its a stretch, but possible. Let me see what I can find out and get back to you.
Either I will concede publicly or come back with new evidence.
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@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller Give me a bit. Researching...{loading}
There is reference to the Buffalo Express newspaper having run an article on the hamburger before the Texas claim was even made. And the Texas claim was decades later and "oh I used to sell these" somewhere that no one can verify. The 1885 date in NY is verified as a public sale of the hamburger and predates the Wisconsin claim by six weeks. It's both the oldest verified claim AND the only one that makes sense given the name.
Now hold on. Germans have been known to have settled in Texas pre-Civil War era. This might be a stretch, but could have been developed and attributed to Hamburg as well. Its a stretch, but possible. Let me see what I can find out and get back to you.
Either I will concede publicly or come back with new evidence.
Bread and ground meat have both existed for a very long time. I suspect that we will never know and @RojoLoco and I will need to spend years on the road developing a theory while consuming vast quantities of burgers and lager
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@MattSpeller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller Give me a bit. Researching...{loading}
There is reference to the Buffalo Express newspaper having run an article on the hamburger before the Texas claim was even made. And the Texas claim was decades later and "oh I used to sell these" somewhere that no one can verify. The 1885 date in NY is verified as a public sale of the hamburger and predates the Wisconsin claim by six weeks. It's both the oldest verified claim AND the only one that makes sense given the name.
Now hold on. Germans have been known to have settled in Texas pre-Civil War era. This might be a stretch, but could have been developed and attributed to Hamburg as well. Its a stretch, but possible. Let me see what I can find out and get back to you.
Either I will concede publicly or come back with new evidence.
Bread and ground meat have both existed for a very long time. I suspect that we will never know and @RojoLoco and I will need to spend years on the road developing a theory while consuming vast quantities of burgers and lager
Besides TX. NY, and WI, we will need to visit the old country as well, to gather corroborating evidence from village elders.
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@RojoLoco said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@MattSpeller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller Give me a bit. Researching...{loading}
There is reference to the Buffalo Express newspaper having run an article on the hamburger before the Texas claim was even made. And the Texas claim was decades later and "oh I used to sell these" somewhere that no one can verify. The 1885 date in NY is verified as a public sale of the hamburger and predates the Wisconsin claim by six weeks. It's both the oldest verified claim AND the only one that makes sense given the name.
Now hold on. Germans have been known to have settled in Texas pre-Civil War era. This might be a stretch, but could have been developed and attributed to Hamburg as well. Its a stretch, but possible. Let me see what I can find out and get back to you.
Either I will concede publicly or come back with new evidence.
Bread and ground meat have both existed for a very long time. I suspect that we will never know and @RojoLoco and I will need to spend years on the road developing a theory while consuming vast quantities of burgers and lager
Besides TX. NY, and WI, we will need to visit the old country as well, to gather corroborating evidence from village elders.
nods
For science!
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@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller Give me a bit. Researching...{loading}
There is reference to the Buffalo Express newspaper having run an article on the hamburger before the Texas claim was even made. And the Texas claim was decades later and "oh I used to sell these" somewhere that no one can verify. The 1885 date in NY is verified as a public sale of the hamburger and predates the Wisconsin claim by six weeks. It's both the oldest verified claim AND the only one that makes sense given the name.
Now hold on. Germans have been known to have settled in Texas pre-Civil War era. This might be a stretch, but could have been developed and attributed to Hamburg as well. Its a stretch, but possible. Let me see what I can find out and get back to you.
Either I will concede publicly or come back with new evidence.
Well, just because I actually live in Hamburg
Etymology and terminology
The term hamburger originally derives from Hamburg,[2] Germany's second largest city. In German, Burg means "castle", "fortified settlement" or "fortified refuge" and is a widespread component of place names. The first element of the name is perhaps from Old High German hamma, referring to a bend in a river, or Middle High German hamme, referring to an enclosed area of pastureland.[3] Hamburger in German is the demonym of Hamburg, similar to frankfurter and wiener, names for other meat-based foods and demonyms of the cities of Frankfurt and Vienna (Wien), respectively.
The term "burger", a back-formation, is associated with many different types of sandwiches, similar to a (ground meat) hamburger, but made of different meats such as buffalo in the buffalo burger, venison, kangaroo, turkey, elk, lamb or fish like salmon in the salmon burger, but even with meatless sandwiches as is the case of the veggie burger.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger
Fun fact: The German Wikipedia says something different. The original source is not exactly known, but several sources point back to our city.
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@MattSpeller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@RojoLoco said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@MattSpeller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller Give me a bit. Researching...{loading}
There is reference to the Buffalo Express newspaper having run an article on the hamburger before the Texas claim was even made. And the Texas claim was decades later and "oh I used to sell these" somewhere that no one can verify. The 1885 date in NY is verified as a public sale of the hamburger and predates the Wisconsin claim by six weeks. It's both the oldest verified claim AND the only one that makes sense given the name.
Now hold on. Germans have been known to have settled in Texas pre-Civil War era. This might be a stretch, but could have been developed and attributed to Hamburg as well. Its a stretch, but possible. Let me see what I can find out and get back to you.
Either I will concede publicly or come back with new evidence.
Bread and ground meat have both existed for a very long time. I suspect that we will never know and @RojoLoco and I will need to spend years on the road developing a theory while consuming vast quantities of burgers and lager
Besides TX. NY, and WI, we will need to visit the old country as well, to gather corroborating evidence from village elders.
nods
For science!
Could you take us on this adventure with you? Such as through Twitter/Periscope/ML/YouTube or something? Would also need a full featured documentary encompassing the entire story.
I need all of the facts.
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@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@MattSpeller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@RojoLoco said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@MattSpeller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller Give me a bit. Researching...{loading}
There is reference to the Buffalo Express newspaper having run an article on the hamburger before the Texas claim was even made. And the Texas claim was decades later and "oh I used to sell these" somewhere that no one can verify. The 1885 date in NY is verified as a public sale of the hamburger and predates the Wisconsin claim by six weeks. It's both the oldest verified claim AND the only one that makes sense given the name.
Now hold on. Germans have been known to have settled in Texas pre-Civil War era. This might be a stretch, but could have been developed and attributed to Hamburg as well. Its a stretch, but possible. Let me see what I can find out and get back to you.
Either I will concede publicly or come back with new evidence.
Bread and ground meat have both existed for a very long time. I suspect that we will never know and @RojoLoco and I will need to spend years on the road developing a theory while consuming vast quantities of burgers and lager
Besides TX. NY, and WI, we will need to visit the old country as well, to gather corroborating evidence from village elders.
nods
For science!
Could you take us on this adventure with you? Such as through Twitter/Periscope/ML/YouTube or something? Would also need a full featured documentary encompassing the entire story.
I need all of the facts.
There will be a live video feed, a blog, a book at some point, then hopefully a TV series to recreate our original journey. Viewers will also have the option to purchase access our premium Snapchat...
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@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller Give me a bit. Researching...{loading}
There is reference to the Buffalo Express newspaper having run an article on the hamburger before the Texas claim was even made. And the Texas claim was decades later and "oh I used to sell these" somewhere that no one can verify. The 1885 date in NY is verified as a public sale of the hamburger and predates the Wisconsin claim by six weeks. It's both the oldest verified claim AND the only one that makes sense given the name.
Now hold on. Germans have been known to have settled in Texas pre-Civil War era. This might be a stretch, but could have been developed and attributed to Hamburg as well. Its a stretch, but possible. Let me see what I can find out and get back to you.
Either I will concede publicly or come back with new evidence.
You do realize that NY is a German state, right? Germans settled NY and PA pre-Revolution.
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@MattSpeller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller Give me a bit. Researching...{loading}
There is reference to the Buffalo Express newspaper having run an article on the hamburger before the Texas claim was even made. And the Texas claim was decades later and "oh I used to sell these" somewhere that no one can verify. The 1885 date in NY is verified as a public sale of the hamburger and predates the Wisconsin claim by six weeks. It's both the oldest verified claim AND the only one that makes sense given the name.
Now hold on. Germans have been known to have settled in Texas pre-Civil War era. This might be a stretch, but could have been developed and attributed to Hamburg as well. Its a stretch, but possible. Let me see what I can find out and get back to you.
Either I will concede publicly or come back with new evidence.
Bread and ground meat have both existed for a very long time. I suspect that we will never know and @RojoLoco and I will need to spend years on the road developing a theory while consuming vast quantities of burgers and lager
They actually ate hamburgers in ancient Rome.
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@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@MattSpeller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller Give me a bit. Researching...{loading}
There is reference to the Buffalo Express newspaper having run an article on the hamburger before the Texas claim was even made. And the Texas claim was decades later and "oh I used to sell these" somewhere that no one can verify. The 1885 date in NY is verified as a public sale of the hamburger and predates the Wisconsin claim by six weeks. It's both the oldest verified claim AND the only one that makes sense given the name.
Now hold on. Germans have been known to have settled in Texas pre-Civil War era. This might be a stretch, but could have been developed and attributed to Hamburg as well. Its a stretch, but possible. Let me see what I can find out and get back to you.
Either I will concede publicly or come back with new evidence.
Bread and ground meat have both existed for a very long time. I suspect that we will never know and @RojoLoco and I will need to spend years on the road developing a theory while consuming vast quantities of burgers and lager
They actually ate hamburgers in ancient Rome.
Got any references to back that up?
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@thwr said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller Give me a bit. Researching...{loading}
There is reference to the Buffalo Express newspaper having run an article on the hamburger before the Texas claim was even made. And the Texas claim was decades later and "oh I used to sell these" somewhere that no one can verify. The 1885 date in NY is verified as a public sale of the hamburger and predates the Wisconsin claim by six weeks. It's both the oldest verified claim AND the only one that makes sense given the name.
Now hold on. Germans have been known to have settled in Texas pre-Civil War era. This might be a stretch, but could have been developed and attributed to Hamburg as well. Its a stretch, but possible. Let me see what I can find out and get back to you.
Either I will concede publicly or come back with new evidence.
Well, just because I actually live in Hamburg
Etymology and terminology
The term hamburger originally derives from Hamburg,[2] Germany's second largest city. In German, Burg means "castle", "fortified settlement" or "fortified refuge" and is a widespread component of place names. The first element of the name is perhaps from Old High German hamma, referring to a bend in a river, or Middle High German hamme, referring to an enclosed area of pastureland.[3] Hamburger in German is the demonym of Hamburg, similar to frankfurter and wiener, names for other meat-based foods and demonyms of the cities of Frankfurt and Vienna (Wien), respectively.
The term "burger", a back-formation, is associated with many different types of sandwiches, similar to a (ground meat) hamburger, but made of different meats such as buffalo in the buffalo burger, venison, kangaroo, turkey, elk, lamb or fish like salmon in the salmon burger, but even with meatless sandwiches as is the case of the veggie burger.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger
Fun fact: The German Wikipedia says something different. The original source is not exactly known, but several sources point back to our city.
Or do they point to Hamburg in the US. At the time, Hamburg was part of the second largest city in the US. Hamburg NY is named after Hamburg, Germany. Most of that Wikipedia reference is to the name, not the origin, and point equally to both cities.
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Okay. I will concede that Athens, Texas is NOT the originator of the hamburger. However, I still await @MattSpeller & @RojoLoco's report as to the TRUE originator. Even if it takes them to Rome!
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@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@thwr said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
@scottalanmiller Give me a bit. Researching...{loading}
There is reference to the Buffalo Express newspaper having run an article on the hamburger before the Texas claim was even made. And the Texas claim was decades later and "oh I used to sell these" somewhere that no one can verify. The 1885 date in NY is verified as a public sale of the hamburger and predates the Wisconsin claim by six weeks. It's both the oldest verified claim AND the only one that makes sense given the name.
Now hold on. Germans have been known to have settled in Texas pre-Civil War era. This might be a stretch, but could have been developed and attributed to Hamburg as well. Its a stretch, but possible. Let me see what I can find out and get back to you.
Either I will concede publicly or come back with new evidence.
Well, just because I actually live in Hamburg
Etymology and terminology
The term hamburger originally derives from Hamburg,[2] Germany's second largest city. In German, Burg means "castle", "fortified settlement" or "fortified refuge" and is a widespread component of place names. The first element of the name is perhaps from Old High German hamma, referring to a bend in a river, or Middle High German hamme, referring to an enclosed area of pastureland.[3] Hamburger in German is the demonym of Hamburg, similar to frankfurter and wiener, names for other meat-based foods and demonyms of the cities of Frankfurt and Vienna (Wien), respectively.
The term "burger", a back-formation, is associated with many different types of sandwiches, similar to a (ground meat) hamburger, but made of different meats such as buffalo in the buffalo burger, venison, kangaroo, turkey, elk, lamb or fish like salmon in the salmon burger, but even with meatless sandwiches as is the case of the veggie burger.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger
Fun fact: The German Wikipedia says something different. The original source is not exactly known, but several sources point back to our city.
Or do they point to Hamburg in the US. At the time, Hamburg was part of the second largest city in the US. Hamburg NY is named after Hamburg, Germany. Most of that Wikipedia reference is to the name, not the origin, and point equally to both cities.
Interesting. The German Wikipedia entry for Hamburg refers to Hamburg (Germany) and Hamburg (Buffalo). Looks like there are multiple versions of the story
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@NerdyDad said in What did you have for lunch or dinner today?:
Okay. I will concede that Athens, Texas is NOT the originator of the hamburger. However, I still await @MattSpeller & @RojoLoco's report as to the TRUE originator. Even if it takes them to Rome!
Oh, I hope our search for the truth takes us to Rome! Also, I heard something about the burger being invented in the Seychelles Islands, we may have to go there....
