Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?
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@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@aaronstuder said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller Normally a 128GB SSD drive.
So you'd need 40 SSD's at 128GB free space for 5TB usable storage. Which means you either need more SSD's in your organization, or to get larger capacity SSD's.
Which approach would be better depends on if SSD prices take a dive, or your business grows and gets more equipment to add to the store.
This only gets you one copy of data, not two or four as listed in Scott's example. For Scott's example, he'd need 160 machines with that amount of storage.
I was descriptive enough for that to be clear, wasn't I?
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@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@aaronstuder said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller Normally a 128GB SSD drive.
So you'd need 40 SSD's at 128GB free space for 5TB usable storage. Which means you either need more SSD's in your organization, or to get larger capacity SSD's.
Which approach would be better depends on if SSD prices take a dive, or your business grows and gets more equipment to add to the store.
This only gets you one copy of data, not two or four as listed in Scott's example. For Scott's example, he'd need 160 machines with that amount of storage.
@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@aaronstuder said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller Normally a 128GB SSD drive.
So you'd need 40 SSD's at 128GB free space for 5TB usable storage. Which means you either need more SSD's in your organization, or to get larger capacity SSD's.
Which approach would be better depends on if SSD prices take a dive, or your business grows and gets more equipment to add to the store.
This only gets you one copy of data, not two or four as listed in Scott's example. For Scott's example, he'd need 160 machines with that amount of storage.
I just have a hard time believing that EVERY machine in the company is on an SSD as it's ONLY drive. Even if you upgraded to SSDs, I'd assume your machines didn't ship that way, which means you should have spinning drives in them. Format them and just use them as data drives. Most ship with a minimum 500GB and it's still common to have 1TB drives in the machines. There's storage there too.
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My machines mostly still have HDDs in them. 500 GB drives. Probably 300+ GB free. If I ignore the laptops (yes I know Laptops can be part of it.. AetherStore specifically tested their coming and going as part of their tests), I have around 50 machines. Assuming only doubling of the data, that would provide me with 7.5 TB of space total.
Now the question is, what's the performance like?
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@scottalanmiller you are calculating wrong.
You claim that the NAS solution cannot be only 5TB because of growth of data. This is wrong. If the raw data to be stored is 5TB, then you need more than 5TB in AetherStore as well to handle the multiple copies that provides the RAIN.
You cannot compare size to size. That is the wrong math.
If you need to protect 5TB of data, you need 20TB of free space in the AetherStore RAIN array, more or less, to get the 4 copy redundancy that a standard install provides.
The NAS only needs 5TB. Now the NAS does not have 4 copy redundancy, so you need to buy a second one at least and replicate for redundancy. The NAS does not need 4 copy redundancy because unlike desktops that go offline at random intervals, the NAS are supposed to be always online in a fixed location, so this means a 2 copy redundancy is likely sufficient.
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@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
Now the question is, what's the performance like?
I never received any information about testing out the new version, so I have no idea.
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@DustinB3403 said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@aaronstuder said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller Normally a 128GB SSD drive.
So you'd need 40 SSD's at 128GB free space for 5TB usable storage. Which means you either need more SSD's in your organization, or to get larger capacity SSD's.
Which approach would be better depends on if SSD prices take a dive, or your business grows and gets more equipment to add to the store.
This only gets you one copy of data, not two or four as listed in Scott's example. For Scott's example, he'd need 160 machines with that amount of storage.
I was descriptive enough for that to be clear, wasn't I?
No - someone reading along, missing something and they think they only need 40 machines to get the same level of protection that Scott was offering in the OP. I was clarifying it.
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@thanksajdotcom said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@aaronstuder said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller Normally a 128GB SSD drive.
So you'd need 40 SSD's at 128GB free space for 5TB usable storage. Which means you either need more SSD's in your organization, or to get larger capacity SSD's.
Which approach would be better depends on if SSD prices take a dive, or your business grows and gets more equipment to add to the store.
This only gets you one copy of data, not two or four as listed in Scott's example. For Scott's example, he'd need 160 machines with that amount of storage.
@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@aaronstuder said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller Normally a 128GB SSD drive.
So you'd need 40 SSD's at 128GB free space for 5TB usable storage. Which means you either need more SSD's in your organization, or to get larger capacity SSD's.
Which approach would be better depends on if SSD prices take a dive, or your business grows and gets more equipment to add to the store.
This only gets you one copy of data, not two or four as listed in Scott's example. For Scott's example, he'd need 160 machines with that amount of storage.
I just have a hard time believing that EVERY machine in the company is on an SSD as it's ONLY drive. Even if you upgraded to SSDs, I'd assume your machines didn't ship that way, which means you should have spinning drives in them. Format them and just use them as data drives. Most ship with a minimum 500GB and it's still common to have 1TB drives in the machines. There's storage there too.
Why would you assume that? I pull the drives out to reduce power consumption and cooling costs.
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@DustinB3403 said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@aaronstuder said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller Normally a 128GB SSD drive.
So you'd need 40 SSD's at 128GB free space for 5TB usable storage. Which means you either need more SSD's in your organization, or to get larger capacity SSD's.
Which approach would be better depends on if SSD prices take a dive, or your business grows and gets more equipment to add to the store.
Right. If you are short on total, you need to consider the cost of adding more. One or two large drives would go a long way without offsetting the cost too much. If you need too many, it swings.
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@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@thanksajdotcom said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@aaronstuder said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller Normally a 128GB SSD drive.
So you'd need 40 SSD's at 128GB free space for 5TB usable storage. Which means you either need more SSD's in your organization, or to get larger capacity SSD's.
Which approach would be better depends on if SSD prices take a dive, or your business grows and gets more equipment to add to the store.
This only gets you one copy of data, not two or four as listed in Scott's example. For Scott's example, he'd need 160 machines with that amount of storage.
@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@aaronstuder said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller Normally a 128GB SSD drive.
So you'd need 40 SSD's at 128GB free space for 5TB usable storage. Which means you either need more SSD's in your organization, or to get larger capacity SSD's.
Which approach would be better depends on if SSD prices take a dive, or your business grows and gets more equipment to add to the store.
This only gets you one copy of data, not two or four as listed in Scott's example. For Scott's example, he'd need 160 machines with that amount of storage.
I just have a hard time believing that EVERY machine in the company is on an SSD as it's ONLY drive. Even if you upgraded to SSDs, I'd assume your machines didn't ship that way, which means you should have spinning drives in them. Format them and just use them as data drives. Most ship with a minimum 500GB and it's still common to have 1TB drives in the machines. There's storage there too.
Why would you assume that? I pull the drives out to reduce power consumption and cooling costs.
I never leave 2nd drives in.
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@JaredBusch said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller you are calculating wrong.
You claim that the NAS solution cannot be only 5TB because of growth of data. This is wrong. If the raw data to be stored is 5TB, then you need more than 5TB in AetherStore as well to handle the multiple copies that provides the RAIN.
You cannot compare size to size. That is the wrong math.
If you need to protect 5TB of data, you need 20TB of free space in the AetherStore RAIN array, more or less, to get the 4 copy redundancy that a standard install provides.
The NAS only needs 5TB. Now the NAS does not have 4 copy redundancy, so you need to buy a second one at least and replicate for redundancy. The NAS does not need 4 copy redundancy because unlike desktops that go offline at random intervals, the NAS are supposed to be always online in a fixed location, so this means a 2 copy redundancy is likely sufficient.
Conversely, if you only need 5TB total on AetherStore, that means you only 1.5TB or so on the NAS.
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@JaredBusch said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@JaredBusch said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller you are calculating wrong.
You claim that the NAS solution cannot be only 5TB because of growth of data. This is wrong. If the raw data to be stored is 5TB, then you need more than 5TB in AetherStore as well to handle the multiple copies that provides the RAIN.
You cannot compare size to size. That is the wrong math.
If you need to protect 5TB of data, you need 20TB of free space in the AetherStore RAIN array, more or less, to get the 4 copy redundancy that a standard install provides.
The NAS only needs 5TB. Now the NAS does not have 4 copy redundancy, so you need to buy a second one at least and replicate for redundancy. The NAS does not need 4 copy redundancy because unlike desktops that go offline at random intervals, the NAS are supposed to be always online in a fixed location, so this means a 2 copy redundancy is likely sufficient.
Conversely, if you only need 5TB total on AetherStore, that means you only 1.5TB or so on the NAS.
Depends how you look at it. For 5TB usable you need 20TB raw in either case. It's four copies both ways.
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@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@thanksajdotcom said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@aaronstuder said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller Normally a 128GB SSD drive.
So you'd need 40 SSD's at 128GB free space for 5TB usable storage. Which means you either need more SSD's in your organization, or to get larger capacity SSD's.
Which approach would be better depends on if SSD prices take a dive, or your business grows and gets more equipment to add to the store.
This only gets you one copy of data, not two or four as listed in Scott's example. For Scott's example, he'd need 160 machines with that amount of storage.
@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@aaronstuder said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller Normally a 128GB SSD drive.
So you'd need 40 SSD's at 128GB free space for 5TB usable storage. Which means you either need more SSD's in your organization, or to get larger capacity SSD's.
Which approach would be better depends on if SSD prices take a dive, or your business grows and gets more equipment to add to the store.
This only gets you one copy of data, not two or four as listed in Scott's example. For Scott's example, he'd need 160 machines with that amount of storage.
I just have a hard time believing that EVERY machine in the company is on an SSD as it's ONLY drive. Even if you upgraded to SSDs, I'd assume your machines didn't ship that way, which means you should have spinning drives in them. Format them and just use them as data drives. Most ship with a minimum 500GB and it's still common to have 1TB drives in the machines. There's storage there too.
Why would you assume that? I pull the drives out to reduce power consumption and cooling costs.
What do you do with them?
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@scottalanmiller said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@JaredBusch said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@JaredBusch said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller you are calculating wrong.
You claim that the NAS solution cannot be only 5TB because of growth of data. This is wrong. If the raw data to be stored is 5TB, then you need more than 5TB in AetherStore as well to handle the multiple copies that provides the RAIN.
You cannot compare size to size. That is the wrong math.
If you need to protect 5TB of data, you need 20TB of free space in the AetherStore RAIN array, more or less, to get the 4 copy redundancy that a standard install provides.
The NAS only needs 5TB. Now the NAS does not have 4 copy redundancy, so you need to buy a second one at least and replicate for redundancy. The NAS does not need 4 copy redundancy because unlike desktops that go offline at random intervals, the NAS are supposed to be always online in a fixed location, so this means a 2 copy redundancy is likely sufficient.
Conversely, if you only need 5TB total on AetherStore, that means you only 1.5TB or so on the NAS.
Depends how you look at it. For 5TB usable you need 20TB raw in either case. It's four copies both ways.
No, it is not 4 copies either way. I specifically called out that point in my post.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@thanksajdotcom said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@aaronstuder said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller Normally a 128GB SSD drive.
So you'd need 40 SSD's at 128GB free space for 5TB usable storage. Which means you either need more SSD's in your organization, or to get larger capacity SSD's.
Which approach would be better depends on if SSD prices take a dive, or your business grows and gets more equipment to add to the store.
This only gets you one copy of data, not two or four as listed in Scott's example. For Scott's example, he'd need 160 machines with that amount of storage.
@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@DustinB3403 said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@aaronstuder said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller Normally a 128GB SSD drive.
So you'd need 40 SSD's at 128GB free space for 5TB usable storage. Which means you either need more SSD's in your organization, or to get larger capacity SSD's.
Which approach would be better depends on if SSD prices take a dive, or your business grows and gets more equipment to add to the store.
This only gets you one copy of data, not two or four as listed in Scott's example. For Scott's example, he'd need 160 machines with that amount of storage.
I just have a hard time believing that EVERY machine in the company is on an SSD as it's ONLY drive. Even if you upgraded to SSDs, I'd assume your machines didn't ship that way, which means you should have spinning drives in them. Format them and just use them as data drives. Most ship with a minimum 500GB and it's still common to have 1TB drives in the machines. There's storage there too.
Why would you assume that? I pull the drives out to reduce power consumption and cooling costs.
What do you do with them?
Not that it's been that many - around 10 total - they are sitting on the shelf. A few of them have rotated back into use in machines that had drives fail. Let's assume I have 6 left over.
yeah I could deploy those 6 and get 3 TB of total RAW space, or about 500 GB at quad redundancy.
After that I would have to spend a lot more on purchasing new drives than just purchasing a NAS and drives to get my 5 TB of quad'ed storage.
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One of my main concerns was the fact that Aetherstore is basically ONLY local backup. So no offsite.
I guess you could backup the mounted Aetherstore store, though. So really no different than a NAS.
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@BRRABill said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
One of my main concerns was the fact that Aetherstore is basically ONLY local backup. So no offsite.
I guess you could backup the mounted Aetherstore store, though. So really no different than a NAS.
Correct. Both are local or remote. You can put AetherStore remote too.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@BRRABill said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
One of my main concerns was the fact that Aetherstore is basically ONLY local backup. So no offsite.
I guess you could backup the mounted Aetherstore store, though. So really no different than a NAS.
Correct. Both are local or remote. You can put AetherStore remote too.
Sure, assuming you have a second sight or a bunch of storage available in a server at a colo.
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@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@BRRABill said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
One of my main concerns was the fact that Aetherstore is basically ONLY local backup. So no offsite.
I guess you could backup the mounted Aetherstore store, though. So really no different than a NAS.
Correct. Both are local or remote. You can put AetherStore remote too.
Sure, assuming you have a second sight or a bunch of storage available in a server at a colo.
In either case you need a place to put the storage.
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@JaredBusch said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
@scottalanmiller said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
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@Dashrender said in Why Choose AetherStore Over a NAS?:
My machines mostly still have HDDs in them. 500 GB drives. Probably 300+ GB free. If I ignore the laptops (yes I know Laptops can be part of it.. AetherStore specifically tested their coming and going as part of their tests), I have around 50 machines. Assuming only doubling of the data, that would provide me with 7.5 TB of space total.
Now the question is, what's the performance like?
A lot of the performance comes from the main access node(s), so if those have fast drives it can make a big difference, or should.
