What constitutes an IT Pro?
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@SamieWalters said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@IRJ said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
We can argue which certs are good and which ones are bad, but they definitely aren't hurtful to you
If the IT industry were to standardize job titles, do you believe that certain certifications and/or degrees would have to be included in those descriptions?
What is the likelihood that this is even possible?
It's possible but not probable. I could see the certs being included in the job description but any good employer is going to test your knowledge in the interview. In my experience the cert just gets you in the door.
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@SamieWalters said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@IRJ said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
We can argue which certs are good and which ones are bad, but they definitely aren't hurtful to you
If the IT industry were to standardize job titles, do you believe that certain certifications and/or degrees would have to be included in those descriptions?
What is the likelihood that this is even possible?
First of all, there's no central body for most of these things - certifications aren't generic, they are mostly very specific for a specific vendor/product line - so I don't see how they could become a requirement of a job title.
An IT Pro in an all Linux shop who is looking for a helpdesk level I person doesn't care if they have windows certs, because they don't support Windows, etc.
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@Dashrender said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@SamieWalters said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@IRJ said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
We can argue which certs are good and which ones are bad, but they definitely aren't hurtful to you
If the IT industry were to standardize job titles, do you believe that certain certifications and/or degrees would have to be included in those descriptions?
What is the likelihood that this is even possible?
First of all, there's no central body for most of these things - certifications aren't generic, they are mostly very specific for a specific vendor/product line - so I don't see how they could become a requirement of a job title.
An IT Pro in an all Linux shop who is looking for a helpdesk level I person doesn't care if they have windows certs, because they don't support Windows, etc.
There are vendor neutral certs, but none that i can think of that are very high level. That is a good point.
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@SamieWalters said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@IRJ said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
We can argue which certs are good and which ones are bad, but they definitely aren't hurtful to you
If the IT industry were to standardize job titles, do you believe that certain certifications and/or degrees would have to be included in those descriptions?
What is the likelihood that this is even possible?
It could happen. Some committee needs to be formed to create the standard, and then the industry has to adopt it, at least in part. It's like spreading a rumor. If you get enough people to do it, it can take on a life of its own. That's how a lot of "standards" have come to be that.
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@wirestyle22 said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@SamieWalters said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@IRJ said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
We can argue which certs are good and which ones are bad, but they definitely aren't hurtful to you
If the IT industry were to standardize job titles, do you believe that certain certifications and/or degrees would have to be included in those descriptions?
What is the likelihood that this is even possible?
It's possible but not probable. I could see the certs being included in the job description but any good employer is going to test your knowledge in the interview. In my experience the cert just gets you in the door.
You'd have to have hundreds if not thousands of job titles to enable a companies ability to require a cert as part of the title.
Windows Helpdesk Level 1
Ubuntu Helpdesk level 1
MAC helpdesk level 1
RH helpdesk level 1
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@Dashrender said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@wirestyle22 said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@SamieWalters said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@IRJ said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
We can argue which certs are good and which ones are bad, but they definitely aren't hurtful to you
If the IT industry were to standardize job titles, do you believe that certain certifications and/or degrees would have to be included in those descriptions?
What is the likelihood that this is even possible?
It's possible but not probable. I could see the certs being included in the job description but any good employer is going to test your knowledge in the interview. In my experience the cert just gets you in the door.
You'd have to have hundreds if not thousands of job titles to enable a companies ability to require a cert as part of the title.
Windows Helpdesk Level 1
Ubuntu Helpdesk level 1
MAC helpdesk level 1
RH helpdesk level 1
etcYeah but at least those titles would be accurate. Right now we have hundreds of titles that are meaningless
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This baseline is set by DoD Directive 8570. This the requirements you will see in the Defense Industry and of course other industries will sometimes follow this directive.
http://www.trainace.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/DoD-8570-791x1024.jpg
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I thought the definition of "IT Pro" was: "anyone and everyone who manages to figure out how to make a spiceworks account". Or is that just SW's definition?
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I'm just a keyboard monkey.
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Well by definition your are a professional if you are paid to do a certain task. IT professional is no different than professional wrestler.
Your paid to do X. Which means your a professional
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@DustinB3403 said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
Well by definition your are a professional if you are paid to do a certain task. IT professional is no different than professional wrestler.
Your paid to do X. Which means your a professional
No difference between a pro wrestler and an IT pro? Hmmm...
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@art_of_shred said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@DustinB3403 said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
Well by definition your are a professional if you are paid to do a certain task. IT professional is no different than professional wrestler.
Your paid to do X. Which means your a professional
No difference between a pro wrestler and an IT pro? Hmmm...
I performed my signature move the "Tombstone" on that 2003 Exchange server. It's completely out of commission.
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@art_of_shred well besides what you "do"
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@wirestyle22 said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@art_of_shred said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@DustinB3403 said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
Well by definition your are a professional if you are paid to do a certain task. IT professional is no different than professional wrestler.
Your paid to do X. Which means your a professional
No difference between a pro wrestler and an IT pro? Hmmm...
I performed my signature move the "Tombstone" on that 2003 Exchange server. It's completely out of commission.
I gave an open cabinet door the Sweet Chin Music the last time I visited the DC.
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@ChrisL said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@wirestyle22 said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@art_of_shred said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@DustinB3403 said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
Well by definition your are a professional if you are paid to do a certain task. IT professional is no different than professional wrestler.
Your paid to do X. Which means your a professional
No difference between a pro wrestler and an IT pro? Hmmm...
I performed my signature move the "Tombstone" on that 2003 Exchange server. It's completely out of commission.
I gave an open cabinet door the Sweet Chin Music the last time I visited the DC.
Good grief what am I doing wrong. I never physically abuse the equipment, it typically abuses me!!
Matt directs laser eyeballs at the rack hardware that has sliced him up on multiple occasions
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@MattSpeller said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@ChrisL said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@wirestyle22 said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@art_of_shred said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
@DustinB3403 said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
Well by definition your are a professional if you are paid to do a certain task. IT professional is no different than professional wrestler.
Your paid to do X. Which means your a professional
No difference between a pro wrestler and an IT pro? Hmmm...
I performed my signature move the "Tombstone" on that 2003 Exchange server. It's completely out of commission.
I gave an open cabinet door the Sweet Chin Music the last time I visited the DC.
Good grief what am I doing wrong. I never physically abuse the equipment, it typically abuses me!!
Matt directs laser eyeballs at the rack hardware that has sliced him up on multiple occasions
Just as long as you're not trash-talking to it before it kicks your a$$. That would be embarrassing.
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I'm jumping in pretty late, but I think that a big thing that we have to consider is if "pro" applies to IT. IT is nothing like doctors, lawyers and not much like traditional engineers. I hate the term pro as it brings connotations of fields with which IT really does not have anything in common. I like the term practitioner better. IT is a business field and business isn't a field of professionals. Business is about "who can do it the best." Professionals are traditionally all about certifications and regulations - following rules and being locked "inside the box."
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@DustinB3403 said in What constitutes an IT Pro?:
Well by definition your are a professional if you are paid to do a certain task. IT professional is no different than professional wrestler.
Your paid to do X. Which means your a professional
That doesn't match US employment rules as to professional versus non-professional. There is the loose "paid" definition but there are much more strict definitions that make only a handful of jobs listed as professional - and none that IT would happily identify with.
