Cost Study: 3 Node Scale vs. 3 Node VMware IPOD
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@scottalanmiller said in Cost Study: 3 Node Scale vs. 3 Node VMware IPOD:
This scenario does a great job of demonstrating how even cutting corners with the storage layer we are left with a lesser setup and higher cost when looking at the inverted pyramid compare to hyperconvergence at this scale.
LOL cutting corners...
I just want to toss out there that while yes, this is a less effective solution by probably all counts, it barely actually cuts corners on the SAN solution compared to what people would typically consider cut corners
yeah I also know that we're not going for what's typical, because we all know typical is bad or worse, but instead we are going for idealized if not perfect.
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@Dashrender said in Cost Study: 3 Node Scale vs. 3 Node VMware IPOD:
@scottalanmiller said in Cost Study: 3 Node Scale vs. 3 Node VMware IPOD:
This scenario does a great job of demonstrating how even cutting corners with the storage layer we are left with a lesser setup and higher cost when looking at the inverted pyramid compare to hyperconvergence at this scale.
LOL cutting corners...
I just want to toss out there that while yes, this is a less effective solution by probably all counts, it barely actually cuts corners on the SAN solution compared to what people would typically consider cut corners
yeah I also know that we're not going for what's typical, because we all know typical is bad or worse, but instead we are going for idealized if not perfect.
It really is cutting corners. You are adding in "what is typical" but that is not applicable. It is cutting corners compared to
1 Any need that would you have buying gear of this nature
2 Any need that would justify paying for HA features
3 The hyperconverged alternative that we are comparing against specificallyThe idea that "many businesses won't buy this" isn't important because this is a comparison for those who are buying it. It it wasn't cutting corners by not meeting the expected uptime and not delivering the features of the comparable solution, we could make that point.
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What are you options for backup for the Scale side?
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@Mike-Davis said in Cost Study: 3 Node Scale vs. 3 Node VMware IPOD:
What are you options for backup for the Scale side?
What do you mean?
if you're asking if you can use Veeam, probably not because Scale is KVM.
If you're willing to use an agent though, then any system that uses agents will backup those VMs just like any other VM host.
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@Dashrender yes, I was thinking of agentless solutions like Veeam. So if it has KVM support it will work with Scale?
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@Mike-Davis said in Cost Study: 3 Node Scale vs. 3 Node VMware IPOD:
@Dashrender yes, I was thinking of agentless solutions like Veeam. So if it has KVM support it will work with Scale?
That I don't know.
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@Mike-Davis said in Cost Study: 3 Node Scale vs. 3 Node VMware IPOD:
@Dashrender yes, I was thinking of agentless solutions like Veeam. So if it has KVM support it will work with Scale?
I wish I could help you with this. No place that I've worked at has needed something that big
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@wirestyle22 said in Cost Study: 3 Node Scale vs. 3 Node VMware IPOD:
@Mike-Davis said in Cost Study: 3 Node Scale vs. 3 Node VMware IPOD:
@Dashrender yes, I was thinking of agentless solutions like Veeam. So if it has KVM support it will work with Scale?
I wish I could help you with this. No place that I've worked at has needed something that big
I came really close - I just missed the Scale boat. 3 years ago when looking at a replacement EHR I posted about some ridiculous needs. Many conversations with Scott - and Scale never came up. Looking back, I have to assume that Scale wasn't something we knew about quite yet. Instead I was looking at a $100K two server setup with something like 20 disks each (mainly for IOPs - this was pre acceptable SSD pricing). Management went with another solution (one they hate today) because the startup costs where so high.
Found my old crazy thread.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/310103-new-greenway-install?page=2 -
@Mike-Davis said in Cost Study: 3 Node Scale vs. 3 Node VMware IPOD:
What are you options for backup for the Scale side?
Image backups are built in, totally free. Outside of that all of the normal cross platform players.
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@Mike-Davis said in Cost Study: 3 Node Scale vs. 3 Node VMware IPOD:
@Dashrender yes, I was thinking of agentless solutions like Veeam. So if it has KVM support it will work with Scale?
Does anything have KVM support?
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@wirestyle22 said in Cost Study: 3 Node Scale vs. 3 Node VMware IPOD:
@Mike-Davis said in Cost Study: 3 Node Scale vs. 3 Node VMware IPOD:
@Dashrender yes, I was thinking of agentless solutions like Veeam. So if it has KVM support it will work with Scale?
I wish I could help you with this. No place that I've worked at has needed something that big
Agentless is for small. It doesn't scale well. You normally move to DevOps at scale today.
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@Dashrender said in Cost Study: 3 Node Scale vs. 3 Node VMware IPOD:
@wirestyle22 said in Cost Study: 3 Node Scale vs. 3 Node VMware IPOD:
@Mike-Davis said in Cost Study: 3 Node Scale vs. 3 Node VMware IPOD:
@Dashrender yes, I was thinking of agentless solutions like Veeam. So if it has KVM support it will work with Scale?
I wish I could help you with this. No place that I've worked at has needed something that big
I came really close - I just missed the Scale boat. 3 years ago when looking at a replacement EHR I posted about some ridiculous needs. Many conversations with Scott - and Scale never came up. Looking back, I have to assume that Scale wasn't something we knew about quite yet. Instead I was looking at a $100K two server setup with something like 20 disks each (mainly for IOPs - this was pre acceptable SSD pricing). Management went with another solution (one they hate today) because the startup costs where so high.
Found my old crazy thread.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/310103-new-greenway-install?page=2Yeah I was reading your thread earlier. It's interesting.
