Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD
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Wow, what is amazing is that the cost of the EMC SAN, comes out alone to $17,000 more than the entire Scale solution! That's crazy. And that's not even a comparable product. It's expected to be less performance, less flexibility and less reliable. We got super lucky in this comparison that EMC's two example SAN units for their entry level map exactly to the two Scale clusters that we want to compare. We could not have asked for closer examples.
So even before we consider one penny of the cost of the servers, of licensing, setup, labor, maintenance, the Scale solution has already won on features and on price.
Also worth noting, the hyperconverged approach is a 4U solution, rather than a 10U.
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I was not expecting the cost difference to be so large. That's an unbelievably different cost range!
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@scottalanmiller said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
I was not expecting the cost difference to be so large. That's an unbelievably different cost range!
And it gets even bigger if you actually build the 4-Node VMware + SAN to not be an IPOD.
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@dafyre said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
@scottalanmiller said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
I was not expecting the cost difference to be so large. That's an unbelievably different cost range!
And it gets even bigger if you actually build the 4-Node VMware + SAN to not be an IPOD.
If you add a second SAN? Yeah, then it's crazy.
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Scott will soon be adding vCenter - forgot the single pain of glass software for a system larger than the VMWare Essentials
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@Dashrender said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
Scott will soon be adding vCenter - forgot the single pain of glass software for a system larger than the VMWare Essentials
Yup, overlooked that since it was included at three nodes.
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Would you mind if I add HTBase's HyperTask to the comparison?
Four node system with 2x Intel Xen E5-2650v4 per node, 256GB per node, 6TB of SSD per node.
Total cost (including 4 nodes and 3 years support):
$71,600
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@htbase said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
Would you mind if I add HTBase's HyperTask to the comparison?
Four node system with 2x Intel Xen E5-2650v4 per node, 256GB per node, 6TB of SSD per node.
Total cost (including 4 nodes and 3 years support):
$71,600
Need the 5 year support so that it matches the timeframe. I don't recall, are these the same processors Scott listed in the other thread?
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@Dashrender Processors are better in our case compared to the original thread.
To add 2 additional years of support, you would just be adding $5K, bringing the total to $76,600
Still a good price when compared
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@Dashrender said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
@htbase said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
Would you mind if I add HTBase's HyperTask to the comparison?
Four node system with 2x Intel Xen E5-2650v4 per node, 256GB per node, 6TB of SSD per node.
Total cost (including 4 nodes and 3 years support):
$71,600
Need the 5 year support so that it matches the timeframe. I don't recall, are these the same processors Scott listed in the other thread?
No, he used slightly higher end procs, the 2650 instead of the 2620
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@htbase said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
@Dashrender Processors are better in our case compared to the original thread.
To add 2 additional years of support, you would just be adding $5K, bringing the total to $76,600
Still a good price when compared
So you have 6 TB SSD storage, what about the 32 TB of additional storage? really hoping to see an apples to apples comparison. granted, currently if you just added 32 TB of HDD, you'd be way ahead because you have 24 TB of SSD storage, vs the others having 8 TB of SSD storage.
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@htbase thanks for jumping in to the "mix".
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@Dashrender Yep, in that configuration we have 24 TB of SSD.
If we added an additional 32TB of HDD (given the fact you would already have 24TB of SSD), it would add around $13,000 to the total cost provided before
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@scottalanmiller :thumbsup_tone2:
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@htbase said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
@Dashrender Yep, in that configuration we have 24 TB of SSD.
If we added an additional 32TB of HDD (given the fact you would already have 24TB of SSD), it would add around $13,000 to the total cost provided before
So rolling that all together (though we have no idea what it looks like in configuration) we have
4 units (dual xeon 2650, 256 GB RAM, 6 TB SSD, 8 TB HDD, 5 yr warranty/support) = $89,600Is that right?
So we have better processors, double the RAM and of the 56 TB of storage 30% more of it is SSD. right?
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Scott didn't mention the RAID controller in his Dells, what kind of RAID are in your boxes? how about the warranty, what are the details?
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@Dashrender said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
Scott didn't mention the RAID controller in his Dells, what kind of RAID are in your boxes? how about the warranty, what are the details?
No RAID with hyperconverged players. Not that there couldn't be, but no one uses one. Since everyone has to have RAIN anyway at a higher layer, having a RAID controller doesn't add any value. So none in the Scale, VSAN, Starwind or IPOD examples. Not just no RAID controller, no RAID at all. HTBase is the same in that regard.
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@scottalanmiller said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
@Dashrender said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
Scott didn't mention the RAID controller in his Dells, what kind of RAID are in your boxes? how about the warranty, what are the details?
No RAID with hyperconverged players. Not that there couldn't be, but no one uses one. Since everyone has to have RAIN anyway at a higher layer, having a RAID controller doesn't add any value. So none in the Scale, VSAN, Starwind or IPOD examples. Not just no RAID controller, no RAID at all. HTBase is the same in that regard.
for the uninitiated, you just blew my mind a little.
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@Dashrender said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
@scottalanmiller said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
@Dashrender said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
Scott didn't mention the RAID controller in his Dells, what kind of RAID are in your boxes? how about the warranty, what are the details?
No RAID with hyperconverged players. Not that there couldn't be, but no one uses one. Since everyone has to have RAIN anyway at a higher layer, having a RAID controller doesn't add any value. So none in the Scale, VSAN, Starwind or IPOD examples. Not just no RAID controller, no RAID at all. HTBase is the same in that regard.
for the uninitiated, you just blew my mind a little.
@Dashrender I was SO confused the first few times I ran into RAIN being discussed.
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@Dashrender said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
@scottalanmiller said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
@Dashrender said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:
Scott didn't mention the RAID controller in his Dells, what kind of RAID are in your boxes? how about the warranty, what are the details?
No RAID with hyperconverged players. Not that there couldn't be, but no one uses one. Since everyone has to have RAIN anyway at a higher layer, having a RAID controller doesn't add any value. So none in the Scale, VSAN, Starwind or IPOD examples. Not just no RAID controller, no RAID at all. HTBase is the same in that regard.
for the uninitiated, you just blew my mind a little.
@John-Nicholson and I have been talking about the death of RAID for years. RAID pretty much exists as a vestige for very small environments that still see their infrastructure in terms of "a single server" and not as clusters and clouds. Once you get beyond the "each node handles its own storage" point (which only applies to one or possibly two host clusters) RAID has no value. Gluster, CEPH, and anything perceived as "cloud storage" and anything like VSAN, Starwind or hyperconvergence are all RAID-less. We've long been in the post-RAID world, RAID remains almost solely for the smallest SMBs.
