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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @olivier
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      @olivier said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:

      @Dashrender Depends on the number of sockets you have.

      Am I missing something on the pricing page? I don't see anything that talks about sockets. What I see are monthly pricing levels. Continuous Delta backups are listed under the Enterprise version at $200/month, $2400 year. The last time I purchased Veeam Small Business was like $800 + $130/yr for maintenance and updates. In my case I have only 2 sockets, but I think the license is inline with VMWare's essential package, supporting up to 6 sockets.

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      • olivierO
        olivier @Dashrender
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        @Dashrender That's because our pricing is totally flat (against Veeam/VMware). So if XOA cost more for 2 sockets, it's not a general truth when you have more of them (that was the sense of my post)

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @olivier
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          @olivier said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:

          @Dashrender That's because our pricing is totally flat (against Veeam/VMware). So if XOA cost more for 2 sockets, it's not a general truth when you have more of them (that was the sense of my post)

          and that's great - but it really does make it a difficult or impossible pill to swallow for the SMB market. With a hopeful consolidation, I should be down to 4 sockets (really I could do two if I had enough storage in a single box).

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          • olivierO
            olivier @Dashrender
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            @Dashrender Having support for less than $70/mo. isn't worth it due to the market size (we can't have a "big scale" effect that VMWare/VEEAM can have).

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              Alex Sage
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              What about 4 sockets for free without support and for personal use only?

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @Alex Sage
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                @aaronstuder said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:

                What about 4 sockets for free without support and for personal use only?

                Why do you need that? just use the XO version then.

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                  Alex Sage @Dashrender
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                  @Dashrender It nice to have a appliance with easy updating.

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                    Alex Sage @Dashrender
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                    @Dashrender It's perfect for a home lab, and your don't have to install from sources 🙂

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender
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                      Well if you go that route, why not make it free for everyone up to 2-4 sockets?

                      And no Oliver, I'm not really suggesting that.

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                      • FATeknollogeeF
                        FATeknollogee
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                        I would be interested in paying for a version that was:
                        Starter plus:

                        • DR
                        • Delta backup
                        • CR
                        • FLR
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                        • BRRABillB
                          BRRABill @FATeknollogee
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                          I mean thanks to ML it's a pretty easy install and upgrade.

                          If running a script is too much, then doing backups and stuff like that might be too much, as well.

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403
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                            Yea we worked really hard to get it so the source version of XO installable with as few commands as possible.

                            Updating too.

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                            • DustinB3403D
                              DustinB3403 @olivier
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                              @olivier said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:

                              @Dashrender Having support for less than $70/mo. isn't worth it due to the market size (we can't have a "big scale" effect that VMWare/VEEAM can have).

                              But @olivier I know of at one person who could push for $70 a month. The price point you have now is just really steep.

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                              • olivierO
                                olivier @DustinB3403
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                                @DustinB3403 said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:

                                @olivier said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:

                                @Dashrender Having support for less than $70/mo. isn't worth it due to the market size (we can't have a "big scale" effect that VMWare/VEEAM can have).

                                But @olivier I know of at one person who could push for $70 a month. The price point you have now is just really steep.

                                From a strictly financial point of view, Starter is almost negligible for us. It would be interesting with far more customers (eg at 2 order of magnitude). And even in this (impossible) case, profit will stay very small comparing to Premium users.

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                                • DustinB3403D
                                  DustinB3403 @olivier
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                                  @olivier said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:

                                  @DustinB3403 said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:

                                  @olivier said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:

                                  @Dashrender Having support for less than $70/mo. isn't worth it due to the market size (we can't have a "big scale" effect that VMWare/VEEAM can have).

                                  But @olivier I know of at one person who could push for $70 a month. The price point you have now is just really steep.

                                  From a strictly financial point of view, Starter is almost negligible for us. It would be interesting with far more customers (eg at 2 order of magnitude). And even in this (impossible) case, profit will stay very small comparing to Premium users.

                                  I totally get it, you need to eat. The problem that I don't think is obvious is that many businesses look at $500/month and wonder "what are we missing, we can't afford it"

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                                  • olivierO
                                    olivier @DustinB3403
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                                    @DustinB3403 You need to think globally 😉 Only 1 Premium is enough to not have to convince 7x Starter. And costing 7 times less in support.

                                    You should see Starter as "introductory offer". We'll add services step by step (like Cloud Backup).

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @olivier
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                                      @olivier said in Xen Orchestra Upgrading:

                                      @DustinB3403 You need to think globally 😉 Only 1 Premium is enough to not have to convince 7x Starter. And costing 7 times less in support.

                                      You should see Starter as "introductory offer". We'll add services step by step (like Cloud Backup).

                                      Yeah, supporting the SMB's is the killer.

                                      I think perhaps a better plan for SMBs would be, here's the product, some charge - say $500 (pulling a number out of my rear) and with that you get 4 hours of support. Then you can buy support in blocks after that.

                                      The hard thing, you're going up against the likes of Veeam, and because of their size, they don't have to limit it like this.

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