Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee
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The area between Lincoln Nebraska and Denver is pretty desolate. Sure there are a few 100K cities, but it's completely reasonable that a replacement car could be well over an hour away.
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@Dashrender said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
The area between Lincoln Nebraska and Denver is pretty desolate. Sure there are a few 100K cities, but it's completely reasonable that a replacement car could be well over an hour away.
Ok but how would you arrange replacement transportation if your car broke down there? You'd call a tow truck, get a tow (and maybe a ride in the truck cab) to the nearest town and then find out what it takes to fix and repair the car, and then pay out of pocket to fix the car.
In a fully driverless world, the car would be monitoring for problems, and order a replacement car to have you swap. Which would meet you where ever along the route, and then say "get out I need repairs and I don't want to strand you".
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At which point, you'd jump into the good running car, and continue on your journey.
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@Dashrender said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
The area between Lincoln Nebraska and Denver is pretty desolate. Sure there are a few 100K cities, but it's completely reasonable that a replacement car could be well over an hour away.
The great thing is, no matter how far away the car might be, chances are it is closer than service would be if you broke down there today.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Dashrender said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
The area between Lincoln Nebraska and Denver is pretty desolate. Sure there are a few 100K cities, but it's completely reasonable that a replacement car could be well over an hour away.
Ok but how would you arrange replacement transportation if your car broke down there? You'd call a tow truck, get a tow (and maybe a ride in the truck cab) to the nearest town and then find out what it takes to fix and repair the car, and then pay out of pocket to fix the car.
In a fully driverless world, the car would be monitoring for problems, and order a replacement car to have you swap. Which would meet you where ever along the route, and then say "get out I need repairs and I don't want to strand you".
Right, instead of the tow truck being the beginning of a long ordeal, that would be your replacement car pulling up to take you on. Remember my car issues at MangoCon? Drove while exhausted all night to get to the airport to drive @MarigabyFrias back to the conference. Ten hour drive instead of a five hour with driverless cars. And driving through the night, not idea anyway. Then the car broke down and in the NYC metro area it took 2-3 hours to get a tow, and two weeks to get the car repaired. Had to get hotels, tows, more cars to come get us, had to go back for the car, etc. With driverless cars, the breakdown would have been far less likely, and the time to get a car to take us on would likely have been far less than waiting for the tow truck driver to get out of bed (literally) and instead of spending eight hours looking for a hotel, in four hours we would have been home! And the broken down car would have been picked up whenever by the driverless tow truck and fixed and back on the road.
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@scottalanmiller said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Dashrender said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
The area between Lincoln Nebraska and Denver is pretty desolate. Sure there are a few 100K cities, but it's completely reasonable that a replacement car could be well over an hour away.
The great thing is, no matter how far away the car might be, chances are it is closer than service would be if you broke down there today.
That's my thought as well, and with driverless cars and system monitoring to wazoo the car you're in now, would say "critical repairs needed, order replacement car to destination"
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@scottalanmiller said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Dashrender said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
The area between Lincoln Nebraska and Denver is pretty desolate. Sure there are a few 100K cities, but it's completely reasonable that a replacement car could be well over an hour away.
The great thing is, no matter how far away the car might be, chances are it is closer than service would be if you broke down there today.
Really? closer than service?
Please don't take my conversation to mean that the taxi like service isn't something I want.
Self driving cars is something I absolutely can't wait for. So many advantages.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@scottalanmiller said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Dashrender said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
The area between Lincoln Nebraska and Denver is pretty desolate. Sure there are a few 100K cities, but it's completely reasonable that a replacement car could be well over an hour away.
The great thing is, no matter how far away the car might be, chances are it is closer than service would be if you broke down there today.
That's my thought as well, and with driverless cars and system monitoring to wazoo the car you're in now, would say "critical repairs needed, order replacement car to destination"
Right, the car would order the next car immediately with information like how many passengers, intended destination, exact break down point and such. Doing that today is hard. In New Jersey, just telling the tow truck driver how to find us on the biggest Interstate in the state was a problem. Took forever to locate us because no one understood English, no one knew the area, people couldn't read maps, etc.
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@Dashrender I think the issue being missed here is that the cars them selves would schedule the required service, and monitor every system in the car, and report those issues back to base.
Thinking of the automatic vaccums (super basic) they can self charge, self empty, and self vacuum your house.
Essentially the same thing, determine fuel needs, determine maintenance (vacuum bag full) and determine the best route and time to your destination.
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my comment about a replacement car being an hour + away was not about how good self driving cars are/can be... it was in response to your - a replacement car is only mins away.. yeah not likely mins, when traveling between major cities is more likely an hour+.
Of course compared to the current breakdown situation between major cities.. that hour is probably fine, etc, etc...
Self driving still wins.
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@Dashrender Why do you think it would still be an hour or more away though? Why wouldn't the car notice the issue, and report the issue that instant, and then that instant another vehicle that meets the existing needs of the one your in rushes out to pick you up?
You're in the mind set that the driver-less cars would break down without reporting the issue before hand. Which doesn't make sense. Especially if the car manufacturers want to turn into a ride-share type company as well. Like what Tesla is working on currently with their driver-less cars.
Those cars are constantly reporting back to Tesla on everything that occurs with the car, and around the car.
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@Dashrender said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
my comment about a replacement car being an hour + away was not about how good self driving cars are/can be... it was in response to your - a replacement car is only mins away.. yeah not likely mins, when traveling between major cities is more likely an hour+.
Of course compared to the current breakdown situation between major cities.. that hour is probably fine, etc, etc...
Self driving still wins.
Even there my guess is that it would rarely take anywhere near an hour. Think about all the idle cars all over the place today. Sure, in the driverless world we will have a lot fewer cars overall (making the whole thing that much cheaper) but even so, every few houses would be assigned one, no matter how remote. So if you were driving through the most desolate part of the country you'd only have a few places in the entire country with actual "hour plus" gaps between people and only places with roads would be an issue and if there were roads, idle cars could be staged in the middle to maintain generally fast repair times.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Dashrender Why do you think it would still be an hour or more away though? Why wouldn't the car notice the issue, and report the issue that instant, and then that instant another vehicle that meets the existing needs of the one your in rushes out to pick you up?
You have to assume meteor accident (total destruction, zero warning.) So no way to "prep" another car other than knowing where people are driving. So it might take longer than you think, but not very long.
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Also consider that things like Google intelligence will likely make there be amazing systems of "staged" cars in areas of traffic ready to help in case of disaster. The grid would know an hour before anyone entered an unpopulated area that someone was going to be there and that an emergency vehicle should exist within some range of it. The ability to gauge the entire national traffic grid and place backup cars where they are likely to be needed will do amazing things to lower cost and improve speed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Dashrender Why do you think it would still be an hour or more away though? Why wouldn't the car notice the issue, and report the issue that instant, and then that instant another vehicle that meets the existing needs of the one your in rushes out to pick you up?
You have to assume meteor accident (total destruction, zero warning.) So no way to "prep" another car other than knowing where people are driving. So it might take longer than you think, but not very long.
Yeah, something like the piston getting blown through the engine block is not something that can be accounted for. Which of course, you'd have those cases, but those are 1% of 1% break downs.
The other 99.9% of breakdowns all report to the computer built into the car already. (on dumb cars)
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@scottalanmiller said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
Also consider that things like Google intelligence will likely make there be amazing systems of "staged" cars in areas of traffic ready to help in case of disaster. The grid would know an hour before anyone entered an unpopulated area that someone was going to be there and that an emergency vehicle should exist within some range of it. The ability to gauge the entire national traffic grid and place backup cars where they are likely to be needed will do amazing things to lower cost and
improve speedtravel times .Fixed that for you
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@scottalanmiller said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Dashrender Why do you think it would still be an hour or more away though? Why wouldn't the car notice the issue, and report the issue that instant, and then that instant another vehicle that meets the existing needs of the one your in rushes out to pick you up?
You have to assume meteor accident (total destruction, zero warning.) So no way to "prep" another car other than knowing where people are driving. So it might take longer than you think, but not very long.
This, this is what I'm talking about.
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As you already said Dustin, if the car thinks it's going to fail, when it reaches a certain point of expected failure, it should go to the nearest replacement. Seems like known failures would be beyond rare on long hauls, unknown/unexpected failures are what you need to be prepared for. These are where the car will be longer off than a few mins
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When I first got my class A license, I was driving for the largest van fleet in the country. If it was possible to have an area covered with maintenance, it was. Average time to see a mechanic pull up when I broke down on the road was still 4+ hours, with one instance being 4 days (tho that was a s***storm of epic proportions.)
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A strong American cultural value is their love of their cars, which is tied to their love of freedom. I noticed this living abroad. I saw public transportation working so well in other countries, but when you talk to people in the States about it the conversation will often drift towards "well what if I want to leave work early and the rest of the car pool doesn't?" That kind of stuff. With that said, I'm one of those people that really enjoys cars.
I'm also in the camp that thinks that the government can't do anything better for less cost than the private sector. So I would be in favor of letting private companies compete in cities. I was really disappointed with Austin TX when I went down their for Spiceworld. I used AirBNB for the first time and was looking forward to Uber and found out they were kicked out of the city for the city's own system.
