Solved Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?
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Hello All,
I am at a point to choose Hyper V Free or ESXi 6 Free.
I am about to roll one of the above or any other better free Virtualization solution on Lenovo ThinkServer TS140.
Here on this Virtualzation server, I am going to spin following services/servers (few are still planning) :
- Spiceworks HelpDesk
- Spiceworks Network Monitor
- rConfig
- Graylog2
- FileAuditing Software
- Intranet Website
- PDQ Deploy
- Linux Machines to practise or test new things
- Windows VMs for Lab
etc.
And requirements for Virtualization is as follows :
a. Free
( I believe there are lots of options for free, as above services are not critical, it's okay)
b. Free VMs Backup software availability
c. Easily manageable comparitely ( I am currently testing VMWare ESXi 6 free, which is not complicated for me and got an app for Android to monitor/manage few things on Server. And not sure how Hyper-V free is going to work).Looking forward for suggestions !!
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a. Free
( I believe there are lots of options for free, as above services are not critical, it's okay)
b. Free VMs Backup software availability
c. Easily manageable comparitely ( I am currently testing VMWare ESXi 6 free, which is not complicated for me and got an app for Android to monitor/manage few things on Server. And not sure how Hyper-V free is going to work).Looking forward for suggestions !!
easy, peezy...
a. XenServer 7.0
b. XenServer 7.0
c. XenServer 7.0 -
@FATeknollogee said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
easy, peezy...
a. XenServer 7.0
b. XenServer 7.0
c. XenServer 7.0Plus Xen Orchestra!
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@openit said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
I am at a point to choose Hyper V Free or ESXi 6 Free.
This one is simple. When using a free hypervisor, your reasonable options are Hyper-V, XenServer and KVM. ESXi Free should never really even get considered. VMware ESXi only has value when you are paying for Essentials or more, and even then it's questionable as it does not come with support, so many consider Essentials Plus to be the minimum viable option for VMware ESXi. With the singular exception of a lab where you are using ESXi Free solely for the purpose of learning ESXi, the free edition should not even be mentioned - there is no business case where it is acceptable to use it.
Except, of course, where an application vendor demands that you use ESXi for their product and you have no choice in the matter.
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@openit said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
I am about to roll one of the above or any other better free Virtualization solution on Lenovo ThinkServer TS140.
Your shortlist should be Hyper-V and XenServer. These are the two free products that make the most sense in the SMB market. KVM is a good product but requires a level of expertise that these do not. XenServer is vastly more mature and much easier to use than Hyper-V and has a free ecosystem around it that makes extended use much more cost effective as well.
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@openit said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
b. Free VMs Backup software availability
XenServer + XenOrchestra gives you backups built in and free.
Hyper-V you will need to add backup software, like Veeam, to do backups.
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@openit said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
c. Easily manageable comparitely
XenServer is much easier than Hyper-V when starting from scratch on both. XenServer is super easy, and XenOrchestra (free) makes it even easier.
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@scottalanmiller said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
@openit said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
c. Easily manageable comparitely
XenServer is much easier than Hyper-V when starting from scratch on both. XenServer is super easy, and XenOrchestra (free) makes it even easier.
Wouldn't subscribe this. We got quite a few threads here with users struggling with XS for some reason or another. But Hyper-V is also complex enough on its own
Just had a look at the latest "5nine Manager for Hyper-V" free edition, which is pretty good. Most day to day tasks can also be accomplished by just using Hyper-V or Failover-Cluster Manager and PowerShell.
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@thwr said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
Wouldn't subscribe this. We got quite a few threads here with users struggling with XS for some reason or another. But Hyper-V is also complex enough on its own
But none doing a simple install. All doing something advanced, abnormal or officially unsupported. Using XS as it is meant to be used is super simple. If you want to do SD card installs (sadly we had to learn that that was too hard), software RAID and other outside of the standard box installs, it gets hard. Hyper-V is hard and confusing even for "by the book" installs. XenServer's software RAID is hard, for example, but on ESXi it is impossible (impossible is infinitely hard.) So you can't compare in that way. And Hyper-V's software RAID is unsafe, so essentially impossibly hard.
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@scottalanmiller said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
@openit said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
c. Easily manageable comparitely
XenServer is much easier than Hyper-V when starting from scratch on both. XenServer is super easy, and XenOrchestra (free) makes it even easier.
I completely disagree with this!
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@thwr said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
@openit said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
c. Easily manageable comparitely
XenServer is much easier than Hyper-V when starting from scratch on both. XenServer is super easy, and XenOrchestra (free) makes it even easier.
Wouldn't subscribe this. We got quite a few threads here with users struggling with XS for some reason or another. But Hyper-V is also complex enough on its own
Just had a look at the latest "5nine Manager for Hyper-V" free edition, which is pretty good. Most day to day tasks can also be accomplished by just using Hyper-V or Failover-Cluster Manager and PowerShell.
I agree. If you can admin a Windows server, you can probably admin a Hyper-v. But unless you know Linux, you'll have a hard time with this.
If you know neither... Fine go with XS because long term the knowledge is more valuable.
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@Dashrender said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
@openit said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
c. Easily manageable comparitely
XenServer is much easier than Hyper-V when starting from scratch on both. XenServer is super easy, and XenOrchestra (free) makes it even easier.
I completely disagree with this!
What have you done of either that is used as intended where XenServer wasn't as easy or easier?
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@Dashrender said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
I agree. If you can admin a Windows server, you can probably admin a Hyper-v. But unless you know Linux, you'll have a hard time with this.
You should not need to do that. That's what I'm talking about. XenServer under normal circumstances should be run completely without going to the command line. XenServer doesn't even require you to know Linux at all - you install as designed, then admin from a GUI. If you try to do things outside of the supported activities, of course it is hard.
Hyper-V is very hard and super confusing even for experienced Windows admins. I've seen few things so much cause Windows admins to get lost. If anything, I'd say that knowing Windows seems to make Hyper-V harder from what I've seen on SW. Linux admins don't have issues with it, but Windows Admins almost always do. Hyper-V isn't bad if you know extensive Windows administration the Microsoft way with remote tools and command line commands and you *have an existing Windows support infrastructure. Whereas XenServer is platform agnostic and uses a simple web GUI (XO) or Windows client (XC.) Both of which are missing from Hyper-V.
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@scottalanmiller said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
@Dashrender said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
@openit said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
c. Easily manageable comparitely
XenServer is much easier than Hyper-V when starting from scratch on both. XenServer is super easy, and XenOrchestra (free) makes it even easier.
I completely disagree with this!
What have you done of either that is used as intended where XenServer wasn't as easy or easier?
If you can get away with only using XenCenter or XO, sure. But even my super simple two VM setup tan into a problem where I had to learn how to find the VDI, how to mount it, etc. Definitely something that is easier for my personal experience to do in Windows.
If. Though, you have no experience in either, then fine go Linux.
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@thwr already mentioned the free version of Five Nines software. Granted not as all encompassing as XO, but pretty nice.
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@Dashrender said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
If you can get away with only using XenCenter or XO, sure.
That's my point. When used as designed, you can.
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I didn't do anything outside the norm other than have a boot partition failure.
I suppose you'll say I was non norm because I was using a USB stick...
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@Dashrender said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
But even my super simple two VM setup tan into a problem where I had to learn how to find the VDI, how to mount it, etc. Definitely something that is easier for my personal experience to do in Windows.
Now I can't remember, but what was it that you did that caused it?
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@scottalanmiller said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
@Dashrender said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
But even my super simple two VM setup tan into a problem where I had to learn how to find the VDI, how to mount it, etc. Definitely something that is easier for my personal experience to do in Windows.
Now I can't remember, but what was it that you did that caused it?
USB stick failed.
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@Dashrender said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:
@thwr already mentioned the free version of Five Nines software. Granted not as all encompassing as XO, but pretty nice.
Right, have to add a commercial third party application and you get very limited functionality. Yes, it can be done, but XO is now semi-official (recommended interface from XS themselves) and is extremely comprehensive. Hyper-V you have to keep adding different pieces for different functionality.
