How would you counter offer a job proposal
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@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@gjacobse said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
Start with the basics.. compare your expected travel times - not just mileage but the time it takes also.
Compare the vacation times - Medical, etc.
That's what he would do to himself to determine what amount he needs to be happy. Never talk to an employer about that stuff. It's irrelevant.
agreed. but you have to know the 'final number' for each to get a starting point.
Maybe go with 20% more then current
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@gjacobse said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@gjacobse said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
Start with the basics.. compare your expected travel times - not just mileage but the time it takes also.
Compare the vacation times - Medical, etc.
That's what he would do to himself to determine what amount he needs to be happy. Never talk to an employer about that stuff. It's irrelevant.
agreed. but you have to know the 'final number' for each to get a starting point.
Maybe go with 20% more then current
20% is an enormous jump. You have to be pretty confident in why someone who doesn't know you would pay you 20% more than what someone agrees that you are worth today. A totally possible number, but a bold one.
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Go a little higher than you want on your counter, but don't go too high. Don't make them want to walk away.
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So the offer is for 55K (including benefits), this is almost identical to what I have now, but with the burden of cell phone (back in my hands, along with a greater drive).
So its not a leap from what I'm making now. And I'm not looking for a 5-20% leap in income either, but for the offset of cellular (and the expectation that I maintain my own cell for business use) I would expect the offer to be more.
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@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
So the offer is for 55K (including benefits), this is almost identical to what I have now, but with the burden of cell phone (back in my hands, along with a greater drive).
So its not a leap from what I'm making now. And I'm not looking for a 5-20% leap in income either, but for the offset of cellular (and the expectation that I maintain my own cell for business use) I would expect the offer to be more.
Right... so what do you think you and your time is worth. Probably more then 55K. Especially since your costs are jumping a bit. The employer will have their own ideas as to what you are worth but they are going to offer you less then that to get a deal. 20% of the offer is 66K. I think it would be reasonable to start somewhere around 60-62 and work your way down.
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Seems like asking for $58K would be reasonable.
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@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
Seems like asking for $58K would be reasonable.
I was thinking between $58-62K seems reasonable.
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So what would be an appropriate way to actually say more is required?
Hi ____,
Thank you for the offer but at the current offer I couldn't accept, I'm willing to take the position for 58K.
I await your response.
Thank you
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Kind of. You might mention that you need it for financial feasibility. And that you are very excited about the position and just need to get the numbers to where it would work.
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@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
So what would be an appropriate way to actually say more is required?
Hi ____,
Thank you for the offer but the current offer
I couldn't acceptis not financial feasible for me,I'm willing to take the position for 58K.$58K would put it in a position I can accept.I await your response.
Thank you
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OK, counter offer submitted.
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And the counter offer was immediately refused.
So if he wasn't willing to negotiate maybe the position wasn't worth looking into.
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@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
And the counter offer was immediately refused.
So if he wasn't willing to negotiate maybe the position wasn't worth looking into.
That would be my take. He wasn't able to make you an offer worth you taking. It is what it is. You aren't desperate or out of work, you are just looking for a place to move up in the world. If they couldn't match what you make currently, it probably wasn't much of a step up.
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This of it this way, to you the counter offer was refused. To them, the offer was refused
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@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
And the counter offer was immediately refused.
So if he wasn't willing to negotiate maybe the position wasn't worth looking into.
That would be my take. He wasn't able to make you an offer worth you taking. It is what it is. You aren't desperate or out of work, you are just looking for a place to move up in the world. If they couldn't match what you make currently, it probably wasn't much of a step up.
Or worse it was a lot of added responsibility for the same amount of money.
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@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
And the counter offer was immediately refused.
So if he wasn't willing to negotiate maybe the position wasn't worth looking into.
That would be my take. He wasn't able to make you an offer worth you taking. It is what it is. You aren't desperate or out of work, you are just looking for a place to move up in the world. If they couldn't match what you make currently, it probably wasn't much of a step up.
That is how I viewed it as well.
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@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
And the counter offer was immediately refused.
So if he wasn't willing to negotiate maybe the position wasn't worth looking into.
That would be my take. He wasn't able to make you an offer worth you taking. It is what it is. You aren't desperate or out of work, you are just looking for a place to move up in the world. If they couldn't match what you make currently, it probably wasn't much of a step up.
That is how I viewed it as well.
Too many jobs get into the mindset that everyone that they hire is desperate and just happy to get an offer. They often forget that the people that they should be wanting to hire need incentive to want to work for them.
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@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
And the counter offer was immediately refused.
So if he wasn't willing to negotiate maybe the position wasn't worth looking into.
That would be my take. He wasn't able to make you an offer worth you taking. It is what it is. You aren't desperate or out of work, you are just looking for a place to move up in the world. If they couldn't match what you make currently, it probably wasn't much of a step up.
That is how I viewed it as well.
Too many jobs get into the mindset that everyone that they hire is desperate and just happy to get an offer. They often forget that the people that they should be wanting to hire need incentive to want to work for them.
And they should want to hire people who are already working - should be asking why aren't they working?
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For real, if 55k is similar to what you make now, and the benefits are the same, but the drive is 4x longer, and you don't need to move jobs... Pass. Nope. Not for you. Working g for an MSP sucks imo.
"Dear xyz,
Thank you for the offer of 55k. I appreciate your offer but must decline. I am comfortable in my current role; to entice me to leave a comfortable job with a far longer commute I would need a fair increase in wages and benefits. I'd reconsider for 65k and 10% bonus, private healthcare and life insurance, and x days leave per year.I'd be very excited to work with you but the finances must be financially viable. Sadly, 55k does not meet that requirement for me.
If you can reconsider I'd look forward to agreeing a contract. Otherwise I wish you luck in your search."
Boom.
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Sorry to hear we are unable to meet agreeable terms. Thank you for your time and all the best in your search.
Regards
