Mocking the Apple live event
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That Photoshop demo was legit. Mock if you wish, but this is a great arrow in the quiver for power users in almost any context.
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@crustachio said in Mocking the Apple live event:
That Photoshop demo was legit. Mock if you wish, but this is a great arrow in the quiver for power users in almost any context.
I object generally to the presentation over the MBP itself or the TouchBar. That said, having the Touchbar so far up the on the keyboard doesn't make it very useful. The travel time from the natural rest point or from the mouse is far enough that only having the functionality of a single bar compared to an entire touch screen (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-studio) doesn't make the travel time worth it. This seems more gimmicky than terribly useful imo. Now, TouchID is worth it. That is a big deal, particularly for my company.
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@Kelly I appreciate your opinion, but I think it's important not to be dismissive until you try it. Many many people thought the concept of an entirely touchscreen phone with no physical keys was gimmicky as well.
For keyboard warriors, this opens up the world of GUI-oriented contextual shortcuts without needing to memorize hundreds of keyboard shortcut combos per app. To say nothing of the completely unique UI opportunities that arise from hands-on manipulation of live controls, as demonstrated in the Photoshop and DJ demos.
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@Kelly said in Mocking the Apple live event:
@crustachio said in Mocking the Apple live event:
That Photoshop demo was legit. Mock if you wish, but this is a great arrow in the quiver for power users in almost any context.
I object generally to the presentation over the MBP itself or the TouchBar. That said, having the Touchbar so far up the on the keyboard doesn't make it very useful. The travel time from the natural rest point or from the mouse is far enough that only having the functionality of a single bar compared to an entire touch screen (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-studio) doesn't make the travel time worth it. This seems more gimmicky than terribly useful imo. Now, TouchID is worth it. That is a big deal, particularly for my company.
Isn't that the same thing that makes touch screens so bad?
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@scottalanmiller said in Mocking the Apple live event:
@Kelly said in Mocking the Apple live event:
@crustachio said in Mocking the Apple live event:
That Photoshop demo was legit. Mock if you wish, but this is a great arrow in the quiver for power users in almost any context.
I object generally to the presentation over the MBP itself or the TouchBar. That said, having the Touchbar so far up the on the keyboard doesn't make it very useful. The travel time from the natural rest point or from the mouse is far enough that only having the functionality of a single bar compared to an entire touch screen (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-studio) doesn't make the travel time worth it. This seems more gimmicky than terribly useful imo. Now, TouchID is worth it. That is a big deal, particularly for my company.
Isn't that the same thing that makes touch screens so bad?
I've heard you expound on this perspective, and I don't necessarily agree with it. On a smaller sized laptops, keyboard+touchscreen is very usable, and for many, is more intuitive than keyboard+mouse. It doesn't have the same precision as a mouse, but for many usages it is faster and more intuitive than traveling from keyboard to mouse and back.
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@Kelly said in Mocking the Apple live event:
@scottalanmiller said in Mocking the Apple live event:
@Kelly said in Mocking the Apple live event:
@crustachio said in Mocking the Apple live event:
That Photoshop demo was legit. Mock if you wish, but this is a great arrow in the quiver for power users in almost any context.
I object generally to the presentation over the MBP itself or the TouchBar. That said, having the Touchbar so far up the on the keyboard doesn't make it very useful. The travel time from the natural rest point or from the mouse is far enough that only having the functionality of a single bar compared to an entire touch screen (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-studio) doesn't make the travel time worth it. This seems more gimmicky than terribly useful imo. Now, TouchID is worth it. That is a big deal, particularly for my company.
Isn't that the same thing that makes touch screens so bad?
I've heard you expound on this perspective, and I don't necessarily agree with it. On a smaller sized laptops, keyboard+touchscreen is very usable, and for many, is more intuitive than keyboard+mouse. It doesn't have the same precision as a mouse, but for many usages it is faster and more intuitive than traveling from keyboard to mouse and back.
The point that bothers me, though, is the long travel time between my fingers and the screen. It's very awkward to use a keyboard and touch screen.
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@crustachio said in Mocking the Apple live event:
@Kelly I appreciate your opinion, but I think it's important not to be dismissive until you try it. Many many people thought the concept of an entirely touchscreen phone with no physical keys was gimmicky as well.
For keyboard warriors, this opens up the world of GUI-oriented contextual shortcuts without needing to memorize hundreds of keyboard shortcut combos per app. To say nothing of the completely unique UI opportunities that arise from hands-on manipulation of live controls, as demonstrated in the Photoshop and DJ demos.
I am reserving full judgement until I can get my hands on one, but it seems from this end to be more of a gimmick. Again, my mockery was aimed primarily at the presentation and not the actual thing.
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@scottalanmiller said in Mocking the Apple live event:
@Kelly said in Mocking the Apple live event:
@scottalanmiller said in Mocking the Apple live event:
@Kelly said in Mocking the Apple live event:
@crustachio said in Mocking the Apple live event:
That Photoshop demo was legit. Mock if you wish, but this is a great arrow in the quiver for power users in almost any context.
I object generally to the presentation over the MBP itself or the TouchBar. That said, having the Touchbar so far up the on the keyboard doesn't make it very useful. The travel time from the natural rest point or from the mouse is far enough that only having the functionality of a single bar compared to an entire touch screen (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-studio) doesn't make the travel time worth it. This seems more gimmicky than terribly useful imo. Now, TouchID is worth it. That is a big deal, particularly for my company.
Isn't that the same thing that makes touch screens so bad?
I've heard you expound on this perspective, and I don't necessarily agree with it. On a smaller sized laptops, keyboard+touchscreen is very usable, and for many, is more intuitive than keyboard+mouse. It doesn't have the same precision as a mouse, but for many usages it is faster and more intuitive than traveling from keyboard to mouse and back.
The point that bothers me, though, is the long travel time between my fingers and the screen. It's very awkward to use a keyboard and touch screen.
Keyboard to screen is faster/easier in general usage for me than keyboard to mouse, and faster than keyboard and trackpad. YMMV.
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@Kelly said in Mocking the Apple live event:
@scottalanmiller said in Mocking the Apple live event:
@Kelly said in Mocking the Apple live event:
@scottalanmiller said in Mocking the Apple live event:
@Kelly said in Mocking the Apple live event:
@crustachio said in Mocking the Apple live event:
That Photoshop demo was legit. Mock if you wish, but this is a great arrow in the quiver for power users in almost any context.
I object generally to the presentation over the MBP itself or the TouchBar. That said, having the Touchbar so far up the on the keyboard doesn't make it very useful. The travel time from the natural rest point or from the mouse is far enough that only having the functionality of a single bar compared to an entire touch screen (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-studio) doesn't make the travel time worth it. This seems more gimmicky than terribly useful imo. Now, TouchID is worth it. That is a big deal, particularly for my company.
Isn't that the same thing that makes touch screens so bad?
I've heard you expound on this perspective, and I don't necessarily agree with it. On a smaller sized laptops, keyboard+touchscreen is very usable, and for many, is more intuitive than keyboard+mouse. It doesn't have the same precision as a mouse, but for many usages it is faster and more intuitive than traveling from keyboard to mouse and back.
The point that bothers me, though, is the long travel time between my fingers and the screen. It's very awkward to use a keyboard and touch screen.
Keyboard to screen is faster/easier in general usage for me than keyboard to mouse, and faster than keyboard and trackpad. YMMV.
I don't have to leave my keyboard to use the trackpad, though (except on a Mac, their touchpads blow) and going to the mouse is easier because it is lateral elbow joint movement rather than linear shoulder movement with a hovering hand.
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Maybe I'm OCD, but I don't want anyones nasty fingers on my monitor.. especially my own.
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@s.hackleman said in Mocking the Apple live event:
..... I don't want anyones nasty fingers on my monitor.. especially my own......
...monitor.
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@scottalanmiller said in Mocking the Apple live event:
@s.hackleman said in Mocking the Apple live event:
..... I don't want anyones nasty fingers on my monitor.. especially my own......
...monitor.
Screen.. monitor..LCD display device... if it is for looking it isn't for touching.
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@s.hackleman said in Mocking the Apple live event:
Maybe I'm OCD, but I don't want anyones nasty fingers on my monitor.. especially my own.
Disinfects and removes grime - even the crustiest user filth.
