Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
You do realize you are talking to someone at a fortune 100 right? I am way way bigger than your company. We have a big and great legal team. I don't know what the hell is with your attitude on here. Great way for a vendor to act. Guess we know to never do business with you.
Working as an employee for Fortune 100 company does't make you smarter / richer / happier than somebody who runs his "Mom&Dan" plumber shop on his own and built it from the ground up.
That's not even what we were talking about you brought up lawyers.. You enjoy being jerks over there at starwinds? I will never do business with such a company that has people acting like this.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
I repeat: you do BAD things. You give advices to people based on your special conditions (if they do exist, I don't really care about that) and people may get hurt. Everything else is lyrics.
I specifically stated we had emails from the rep saying it was okay. Now your questioning MY ethics and morals? A vendor is now PERSONALLY attacking people on forums.. yeah. great company.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
I repeat: you do BAD things. You give advices to people based on your special conditions (if they do exist, I don't really care about that) and people may get hurt. Everything else is lyrics.
I specifically stated we had emails from the rep saying it was okay. Now your questioning MY ethics and morals? A vendor is now PERSONALLY attacking people on forums.. yeah. great company.
You started with telling / talking EULA works for everybody just because you see it this way. Than appeared "sales rep told". Then "told" turned into e-mails. Look, whole story is above, what are you trying to do there? Call black with white? Why?
I'm not attacking you, I'm saying you can't do things like you do. I don't act as a vendor. Ever heard about good samaritan law? You have a great lawyers, go ask them LOL.
I said We confirmed with the rep what the EULA meant. He said it was allowed. So it is allowed for us. I did not realize it was not allowed in general from the EULA at the being as you can see if you actually read this thread.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
Yeah, I did. I asked if you have a questions about EULA you should talk to people inside your company who will go to court if you'll screw up. Because it's THEIR job. What's wrong with that?
As I've said before we already have..
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
I'm not attacking you.
"I repeat: you do BAD things." is very much a personal attack.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
I repeat: you do BAD things. You give advices to people based on your special conditions (if they do exist, I don't really care about that) and people may get hurt. Everything else is lyrics.
I specifically stated we had emails from the rep saying it was okay. Now your questioning MY ethics and morals? A vendor is now PERSONALLY attacking people on forums.. yeah. great company.
You started with telling / talking EULA works for everybody just because you see it this way. Than appeared "sales rep told". Then "told" turned into e-mails. Look, whole story is above, what are you trying to do there? Call black with white? Why?
I'm not attacking you, I'm saying you can't do things like you do. I don't act as a vendor. Ever heard about good samaritan law? You have a great lawyers, go ask them LOL.
I said We confirmed with the rep what the EULA meant. He said it was allowed. So it is allowed for us. I did not realize it was not allowed in general from the EULA at the being as you can see if you actually read this thread.
No, that's not how it is. Am I blind or what? Who wrote THIS?
"You are reading that incorrectly. That's just definitions, not the terms."
And there's a zillion posts between that and this. Move on dude.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
Ooh, whose got the best lawyers?
All I know is, I don't have any lawyers! I sometimes worry that I'll get arrested for a murder I didn't commit and I'll go "phone my lawyer", only I don't have one and don't even know how you'd go about getting one. I'd probably just phone my mom or something.
That's what most people do. You phone family and the family goes and hires a lawyer and then the lawyer calls you or stops by. Only the super rich have a lawyer ready to call and only so many people who have one have their number handy when being arrested.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
I'm not attacking you.
"I repeat: you do BAD things." is very much a personal attack.
Confusing people is a bad thing. It's a constitution of fact. Where do you see attack? You can swim and somebody can't, he's asking can he cross the river and you say "yes" assuming he CAN swim. He dies. Who are you? Good person or bad person? Good advice vs bad advice? Etc.
Again you aren't reading the whole thread...
I said way up there
"Yeah sounds like EMC very well may have been making an expectation for us then since we spend so much with them on VMAX, Unity VSA etc."
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@scottalanmiller said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
That's what most people do.
You sound like you know quite a few people who have been wrongly arrested for murder
I say "wrongly" because if I actually murdered someone I'd probably do a bit of research on lawyers before my arrest.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
Yeah, I did. I asked if you have a questions about EULA you should talk to people inside your company who will go to court if you'll screw up. Because it's THEIR job. What's wrong with that?
As I've said before we already have..
I got that. You and your special conditions are out of question, these are others who get confused with "You are reading that incorrectly. That's just definitions, not the terms. Our EMC rep already confirmed it to us." thing. As simple as that.
You keep pointing to one post I was wrong in but forgetting there has been much conversation since then....
I know one things for sure.. I will never do business with Starwinds. I've seen enough how you act in this thread.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
I'm not attacking you.
"I repeat: you do BAD things." is very much a personal attack.
Confusing people is a bad thing. It's a constitution of fact. Where do you see attack? You can swim and somebody can't, he's asking can he cross the river and you say "yes" assuming he CAN swim. He dies. Who are you? Good person or bad person? Good advice vs bad advice? Etc.
I wasn't confusing people. I stated I was wrong yet you refuse to move on.. You are attacking. You are a company I would never do business with. You refuse to accept things as they happen. You are making your company look bad on public forms.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
I'm not attacking you.
"I repeat: you do BAD things." is very much a personal attack.
Confusing people is a bad thing. It's a constitution of fact. Where do you see attack? You can swim and somebody can't, he's asking can he cross the river and you say "yes" assuming he CAN swim. He dies. Who are you? Good person or bad person? Good advice vs bad advice? Etc.
Again you aren't reading the whole thread...
I said way up there
"Yeah sounds like EMC very well may have been making an expectation for us then since we spend so much with them on VMAX, Unity VSA etc."
yeah, and later you post "You are reading that incorrectly. That's just definitions, not the terms. Our EMC rep already confirmed it to us." so is it odd vs even posts I should read / skip?
That was not later.. that was before.. Go back and read..
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@scottalanmiller said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@ardeyn said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason The thing is (I might be wrong though)
Pretty much any rep of any company works with a disclaimer, that sounds along the lines of "Any opinions expressed in this communication are not necessarily those of the company". This way you are still violating the EULA. This may not be immediately noticeable while you work with the aforementioned reps, however if you were to reach out to support and they will see what kind of license you are using, there may be trouble.
That being said, I am not sure it's the case, it just sounds like a possible course of action.THis post, and these do work. It's not the same as the disclaimers saying that if this is for the wrong recipient or forcing you to do something when you receive an email. It's saying that the email communications is not official and is meaningless. It also makes ALL sales from them worthless as well, of course.
I have never, ever seen or heard of this kind of disclaimer. Is it a US thing? I wouldn't be very impressed if I did see one - if you're not representing opinion of the company what exactly are you for?
