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      Veet
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      Interesting ...

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        Alex Sage
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        critics suggest the true aim is to tighten the authorities' control over citizens' use of the net.

        That was my first thought.

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          bbigford @Alex Sage
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          @aaronstuder said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

          critics suggest the true aim is to tighten the authorities' control over citizens' use of the net.

          That was my first thought.

          ...and there it is.

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            Dashrender
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            At what point do they just disconnect from the global internet?
            Aren't most "internets" domestic by design (i.e. hosted by the carriers within a country) with peering points to other countries and their carrier's systems?

            of course in some, perhaps many, there are carriers who have systems in multiple countries making the lines a bit more fuzzy, but those parts of those companies are bound by the laws of those countries (even though places like the US are trying to make them follow US law in other countries - that's another discussion).

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              DustinB3403 @Dashrender
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              @Dashrender domestic means "from home" not controlled by home.

              The beer you had last night might be domestic because it was made in america, not by the american government.

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                Dashrender @DustinB3403
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                @DustinB3403 said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                @Dashrender domestic means "from home" not controlled by home.

                The beer you had last night might be domestic because it was made it america, not by the american government.

                Now I'm confused - they had no carriers inside their country before now?

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                  scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                  @Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                  @DustinB3403 said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                  @Dashrender domestic means "from home" not controlled by home.

                  The beer you had last night might be domestic because it was made it america, not by the american government.

                  Now I'm confused - they had no carriers inside their country before now?

                  Yes, but they were carriers from the US Internet. Iran has now made their own, not connected to the US one.

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403
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                    dang it...

                    made in america

                    @Dashrender I honestly don't know, my guess is that the government had so much oversight before of any internet providers that they just seized control.

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                      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                      @Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                      Aren't most "internets" domestic by design (i.e. hosted by the carriers within a country) with peering points to other countries and their carrier's systems?

                      There is only one Internet (one of the reasons why the AP is clearly confused that they no longer capitalize it) and it is from the US DARPA. Iran is making the first national internet (small i important) that is not part of the US DARPA network.

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                        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                        @Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                        At what point do they just disconnect from the global internet?

                        Not being subject to American control and oversight, not being easily exposed to outside actors, total control over content allowing them to have laws about what is legal and appropriate to have online and actually be able to enforce it.

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                        • coliverC
                          coliver @Dashrender
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                          @Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                          At what point do they just disconnect from the global internet?
                          Aren't most "internets" domestic by design (i.e. hosted by the carriers within a country) with peering points to other countries and their carrier's systems?

                          of course in some, perhaps many, there are carriers who have systems in multiple countries making the lines a bit more fuzzy, but those parts of those companies are bound by the laws of those countries (even though places like the US are trying to make them follow US law in other countries - that's another discussion).

                          I think this more along the lines of a national intranet, similar to China or North Korea. From the article:

                          The government says the goal is to create an isolated domestic intranet that can be used to promote Islamic content and raise digital awareness among the public.

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                            Dashrender
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                            Awww.. OK this is basically like the old AOL network.

                            So again I ask, at what point will they disallow their citizens access to the Internet?

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                              coliver @Dashrender
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                              @Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                              Awww.. OK this is basically like the old AOL network.

                              So again I ask, at what point will they disallow their citizens access to the Internet?

                              They kind of already do. They have disallowed access to "western" social media and have a group of filters in place to "protect" users from western influences.

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                                Dashrender @coliver
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                                @coliver said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                                @Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                                Awww.. OK this is basically like the old AOL network.

                                So again I ask, at what point will they disallow their citizens access to the Internet?

                                They kind of already do. They have disallowed access to "western" social media and have a group of filters in place to "protect" users from western influences.

                                Sure, but the article also indicates that VPNs can penetrate it get access anyhow. So the creation of this internet assuming they can provide enough services, will allow them to completely disconnect from the world at large, totally cutting off those services.

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                                  DustinB3403 @Dashrender
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                                  @Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                                  @coliver said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                                  @Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                                  Awww.. OK this is basically like the old AOL network.

                                  So again I ask, at what point will they disallow their citizens access to the Internet?

                                  They kind of already do. They have disallowed access to "western" social media and have a group of filters in place to "protect" users from western influences.

                                  Sure, but the article also indicates that VPNs can penetrate it get access anyhow. So the creation of this internet assuming they can provide enough services, will allow them to completely disconnect from the world at large, totally cutting off those services.

                                  I believe that is the goal, to essentially have a 100% controlled government service. To which if you want access, you'll be using their pipe.

                                  With a VPN, you might still be able to encrypt the traffic, but all outbound request to "banned content" would be geoip blocked etc.

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                                    zuphzuph Banned
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                                    Where control is key this fits like a glove...

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                                      scottalanmiller @zuphzuph
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                                      @zuphzuph said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                                      Where control is key this fits like a glove...

                                      Exactly. And it's not just control over what people can access, it's also protecting them from outside bad actors, knowing where attacks come from, etc. There are lots of good points to it, not just questionable ones. And, thus far, I've not heard that they are removing the old Internet, just offering a new one.

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                                        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                                        @DustinB3403 said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                                        @Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                                        @coliver said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                                        @Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                                        Awww.. OK this is basically like the old AOL network.

                                        So again I ask, at what point will they disallow their citizens access to the Internet?

                                        They kind of already do. They have disallowed access to "western" social media and have a group of filters in place to "protect" users from western influences.

                                        Sure, but the article also indicates that VPNs can penetrate it get access anyhow. So the creation of this internet assuming they can provide enough services, will allow them to completely disconnect from the world at large, totally cutting off those services.

                                        I believe that is the goal, to essentially have a 100% controlled government service. To which if you want access, you'll be using their pipe.

                                        With a VPN, you might still be able to encrypt the traffic, but all outbound request to "banned content" would be geoip blocked etc.

                                        Banned content? Where would that come from? A VPN would be totally visible and they'd just shut down banned content.

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                                          Veet @scottalanmiller
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                                          @scottalanmiller said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                                          @zuphzuph said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                                          Where control is key this fits like a glove...

                                          Exactly. And it's not just control over what people can access, it's also protecting them from outside bad actors, knowing where attacks come from, etc. There are lots of good points to it, not just questionable ones. And, thus far, I've not heard that they are removing the old Internet, just offering a new one.

                                          Yep, there's a lot of crap, out there on the internet, and if you want to keep that away, then it's a good option .. But ofcourse, there's a flip-side to this, as pointed above

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                                            Veet @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:

                                            And, thus far, I've not heard that they are removing the old Internet, just offering a new one.

                                            I'm guessing, that would be eventual goal (??) ...

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