Hours I work/PTO
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@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
But my point was more about are there enough jobs in the world doing what people WANT to do versus things that NEED to be done for the majority to be loving their job? This seems unlikely.
Right, and my point was that that is a red herring. It's like the college argument. No matter how much "someone" needs to go to college for "some job", it doesn't change the fact that nothing we say will change the market so much than anyone who decides to think critically about how to get to a great job doesn't need to go to college. The "what if we sway everyone" concern is simply not relevant. Sure, maybe everyone can't love their job, but what matters is that anyone can. See the difference?
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@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
But they need it done when it breaks, so I can't just be gone for 5 hours in the middle of the day and work 5 hours at night instead.
But that's because they've decided to make it about you, but they don't have to. That's not what they need. What they need is the capability, not for you to make it happen. That they choose to treat you one way doesn't imply that they need to treat you that way.
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@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
"Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life." - Confucius
Read more at: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/c/confucius134717.html
This isn't some "Scott-ism", this is long held wisdom that I just take to heart.
LOL - yeah I know this is old as dirt... I'm definitely not calling it a Scott-ism.. but I also believe that people truly don't want to be happy either (at least most don't).
I have friends that I look at (and occasionally the mirror) that they seem to only derive joy in hassling others. They rarely see happiness/goodness, whatever you want to call it in what are classically deemed positive things.
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@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
LOL - yeah I know this is old as dirt... I'm definitely not calling it a Scott-ism.. but I also believe that people truly don't want to be happy either (at least most don't).
RIght, it's not that people can't be happy, it's that it just doesn't seem to be that important to many people.
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@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
But my point was more about are there enough jobs in the world doing what people WANT to do versus things that NEED to be done for the majority to be loving their job? This seems unlikely.
Right, and my point was that that is a red herring. It's like the college argument. No matter how much "someone" needs to go to college for "some job", it doesn't change the fact that nothing we say will change the market so much than anyone who decides to think critically about how to get to a great job doesn't need to go to college. The "what if we sway everyone" concern is simply not relevant. Sure, maybe everyone can't love their job, but what matters is that anyone can. See the difference?
Yeah I see what you're driving at here.
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@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
Not to mention the fact that there's a belief (no idea if it's true or not) if your hobby becomes your job, good chances are you'll eventually hate that hobby.
I can safely say that this has not been the case for me. I've been around computers and made it my hobby almost my entire life. I even finally got a job in it, and I do it all day every day... (I'd do it more if I could, lol).
I spend a large portion of my waking life in front of a computer. I talk to my wife all day via Facebook, I talk with you guys on here all day, except when I'm actually needed to be AFK... and I come home and tinker with computers too, while still chatting with folks and talking to the folks at the house... I still love my job, and what I do.
I don't have as much time to devote to it any more...but for good reasons (family!).
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@dafyre said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
Not to mention the fact that there's a belief (no idea if it's true or not) if your hobby becomes your job, good chances are you'll eventually hate that hobby.
I can safely say that this has not been the case for me. I've been around computers and made it my hobby almost my entire life. I even finally got a job in it, and I do it all day every day... (I'd do it more if I could, lol).
I spend a large portion of my waking life in front of a computer. I talk to my wife all day via Facebook, I talk with you guys on here all day, except when I'm actually needed to be AFK... and I come home and tinker with computers too, while still chatting with folks and talking to the folks at the house... I still love my job, and what I do.
I don't have as much time to devote to it any more...but for good reasons (family!).
Chatting via Facebook is hardly IT related. Granted there are tons of non IT people I know that work on computers all day (as in PowerPoint/Excel/ERP, etc) and they totally want to disconnect from the computer completely at night.
But wanting to be online is simply social, not really computer related, just happens to be way more convenient online than going to the bar or where ever to socialize. -
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@dafyre said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
Not to mention the fact that there's a belief (no idea if it's true or not) if your hobby becomes your job, good chances are you'll eventually hate that hobby.
I can safely say that this has not been the case for me. I've been around computers and made it my hobby almost my entire life. I even finally got a job in it, and I do it all day every day... (I'd do it more if I could, lol).
I spend a large portion of my waking life in front of a computer. I talk to my wife all day via Facebook, I talk with you guys on here all day, except when I'm actually needed to be AFK... and I come home and tinker with computers too, while still chatting with folks and talking to the folks at the house... I still love my job, and what I do.
I don't have as much time to devote to it any more...but for good reasons (family!).
Chatting via Facebook is hardly IT related. Granted there are tons of non IT people I know that work on computers all day (as in PowerPoint/Excel/ERP, etc) and they totally want to disconnect from the computer completely at night.
But wanting to be online is simply social, not really computer related, just happens to be way more convenient online than going to the bar or where ever to socialize.What you say is very true. But for me, the fact that I can chat with you guys and my wife all day as I'm working is a large part of my job satisfaction, and it makes me feel much less disconnected from my family and friends while I'm at work.
Not quite the level of freedom that @scottalanmiller has, but lightly leaning in that direction.
