The CEO of NEST resigns
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I believe the idea is that it is smart, so it learns what you want, rather than you programming it like a traditional thermostat. No idea how, though.
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@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Nest's genius was to take existing technology (Honeywell's) and make it look cool and be simple enough that your grandmother can use it. Much like what Apple did to phones.
Weird. One of the things about it was that it always looked so complicated. No obvious way of controlling it. Never looked into it much as it didn't have any obvious selling points. People talked about it, but no one mentioned it as being easy to use.
wasn't it just a website interface? At least that's what I would expect it to be.
They never showed that (to me) it was always a dial without obvious ways to do anything useful.
like what? What useful things did you want to do? Could you not program the times to make a temp be what you want just like a normal programmable?
I have no idea. It just had a ring and no obvious tools for doing basic settings. So my assumption was no. They never showed anything but people manually turning it up and down all of the time.
Their early marketing was you manually turn it up and down constantly for about 2 weeks and it learns. Afterwards, just a nudge will help it as your lifestyle changes.
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@JaredBusch said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Nest's genius was to take existing technology (Honeywell's) and make it look cool and be simple enough that your grandmother can use it. Much like what Apple did to phones.
Weird. One of the things about it was that it always looked so complicated. No obvious way of controlling it. Never looked into it much as it didn't have any obvious selling points. People talked about it, but no one mentioned it as being easy to use.
wasn't it just a website interface? At least that's what I would expect it to be.
They never showed that (to me) it was always a dial without obvious ways to do anything useful.
like what? What useful things did you want to do? Could you not program the times to make a temp be what you want just like a normal programmable?
I have no idea. It just had a ring and no obvious tools for doing basic settings. So my assumption was no. They never showed anything but people manually turning it up and down all of the time.
Their early marketing was you manually turn it up and down constantly for about 2 weeks and it learns. Afterwards, just a nudge will help it as your lifestyle changes.
Ah... that's... interesting. But that sure sounds negative to me. I want it to do what I want, not wait a few weeks and start guessing at what I want. I could see people who don't understand thermostats wanting that. It would be terrible for us, though, as my wife doesn't know how thermostats work and would do one kind of adjustment and I would do another (she things that higher settings heat the house faster and nothing convinces her otherwise.) So it would learn terribly.
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@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
I believe the idea is that it is smart, so it learns what you want, rather than you programming it like a traditional thermostat. No idea how, though.
If that is the definition of "smart", then the company is dumb because they didn't learn what I wanted in a product
My schedule is not stable so it would have no way to learn anything useful. It would be horrific, I'm sure.
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@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
I believe the idea is that it is smart, so it learns what you want, rather than you programming it like a traditional thermostat. No idea how, though.
If that is the definition of "smart", then the company is dumb because they didn't learn what I wanted in a product
My schedule is not stable so it would have no way to learn anything useful. It would be horrific, I'm sure.
So because the product doesn't work for you, it's horrible? yeah I'm just tossin' that at ya.
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I'd really just like a thermostat that is designed to ignore whatever settings my wife and kids try and set. It would have to pretend that it hadn't ignored them, though.
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@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@JaredBusch said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Nest's genius was to take existing technology (Honeywell's) and make it look cool and be simple enough that your grandmother can use it. Much like what Apple did to phones.
Weird. One of the things about it was that it always looked so complicated. No obvious way of controlling it. Never looked into it much as it didn't have any obvious selling points. People talked about it, but no one mentioned it as being easy to use.
wasn't it just a website interface? At least that's what I would expect it to be.
They never showed that (to me) it was always a dial without obvious ways to do anything useful.
like what? What useful things did you want to do? Could you not program the times to make a temp be what you want just like a normal programmable?
I have no idea. It just had a ring and no obvious tools for doing basic settings. So my assumption was no. They never showed anything but people manually turning it up and down all of the time.
Their early marketing was you manually turn it up and down constantly for about 2 weeks and it learns. Afterwards, just a nudge will help it as your lifestyle changes.
Ah... that's... interesting. But that sure sounds negative to me. I want it to do what I want, not wait a few weeks and start guessing at what I want. I could see people who don't understand thermostats wanting that. It would be terrible for us, though, as my wife doesn't know how thermostats work and would do one kind of adjustment and I would do another (she things that higher settings heat the house faster and nothing convinces her otherwise.) So it would learn terribly.
You'd wind up with a Bipolar Thermostat... Icicles hanging off the vents one minute, and water pooling underneath them the next.
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Do people really change their thermostat that much? We have two settings 65 in the winter and off in the summer.
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@coliver said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Do people really change their thermostat that much? We have two settings 65 in the winter and off in the summer.
Yes. My wife and I fight over the temperature all year long. In the summer, I nudge it up to keep the house warmer and save money... She wants to keep it 68 in the house...
During the winter, I want to keep it 68 in the house, and she nudges it up to 78. lol.
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I think it's just one part of home automation which is becoming really popular. Everyone wants to control their entire house with an iPhone or Android. I don't really get it honestly and I'm more into gadgets than most.
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Nest is crap. Ask anyone that knows about HVAC. They end up costing you more in in energy bills. If you want a good smart themostat the Ecobee or a Honeywell Smart themostat are the ones to get.
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@Jason
There is a whole subset of users out there that see a big list of features that they will never use and think the product is better where as a someone in IT would purchase the best product for their actual needs, save money and have the exact functionality they want. -
@wirestyle22 said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
I think it's just one part of home automation which is becoming really popular. Everyone wants to control their entire house with an iPhone or Android. I don't really get it honestly and I'm more into gadgets than most.
I think it's useful for thermostats. I like the idea of turning off the heating when I go on holiday (if I forget to do it before I leave), and then turning it on just before we get home. Coming home from holiday to a freezing cold house is miserable.
However, other things are just stupid. I was shopping for a washing machine recently and what is the point of something like this:
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/home-appliances/laundry/washing-machine/WF12F9E6P4W/EU -
@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@wirestyle22 said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
I think it's just one part of home automation which is becoming really popular. Everyone wants to control their entire house with an iPhone or Android. I don't really get it honestly and I'm more into gadgets than most.
I think it's useful for thermostats. I like the idea of turning off the heating when I go on holiday (if I forget to do it before I leave), and then turning it on just before we get home. Coming home from holiday to a freezing cold house is miserable.
However, other things are just stupid. I was shopping for a washing machine recently and what is the point of something like this:
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/home-appliances/laundry/washing-machine/WF12F9E6P4W/EUMy Mom lives in England and every time I see a washing machine from there they look so compact. In response to the thermostat, my schedule changes so much it would never benefit me. I don't think the convenience is worth the money. It doesn't take that long for my place to cool down or heat up. Maybe if I had a larger place I'd consider it but I doubt it. I'd rather spend the money on something more fun/interesting.
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@Dashrender said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@scottalanmiller said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
I believe the idea is that it is smart, so it learns what you want, rather than you programming it like a traditional thermostat. No idea how, though.
If that is the definition of "smart", then the company is dumb because they didn't learn what I wanted in a product
My schedule is not stable so it would have no way to learn anything useful. It would be horrific, I'm sure.
So because the product doesn't work for you, it's horrible? yeah I'm just tossin' that at ya.
Just based on the definition given. Nothing more.
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@coliver said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
Do people really change their thermostat that much? We have two settings 65 in the winter and off in the summer.
Not if you don't have a programmable one. We change ours a ton. We change it when we go away for the weekend. We have different daytime and nighttime temperatures. We change it based on dinner plans. Why waste energy?
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@wirestyle22 said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
I think it's just one part of home automation which is becoming really popular. Everyone wants to control their entire house with an iPhone or Android. I don't really get it honestly and I'm more into gadgets than most.
I'm not into gadgets but being able to let the house drop a bit but be warm enough when you return home is a nice feature.
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@Carnival-Boy said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
@wirestyle22 said in The CEO of NEST resigns:
I think it's just one part of home automation which is becoming really popular. Everyone wants to control their entire house with an iPhone or Android. I don't really get it honestly and I'm more into gadgets than most.
I think it's useful for thermostats. I like the idea of turning off the heating when I go on holiday (if I forget to do it before I leave), and then turning it on just before we get home. Coming home from holiday to a freezing cold house is miserable.
However, other things are just stupid. I was shopping for a washing machine recently and what is the point of something like this:
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/home-appliances/laundry/washing-machine/WF12F9E6P4W/EUThat's especially useful if you have one of those HOneywells. We do and it is unreliable. Tends to change its own settings after a while so you might find it doing anything. Being able to monitor things remotely is a big deal to make sure pipes don't freeze or tons of money isn't wasted if you are gone for a week or two.
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