Consulting for a Small Construction Company
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@aaronstuder said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
I still don't understand they need a on-site server. Seems like a perfect opportunity to do everything "in the cloud".
Storage would be the big question. Do they need local storage? If not... grab https://www.smartfile.com/ or get that hosted Datto Drive through @BRRABill and you are all set. Easy peasy zero on site.
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@aaronstuder said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
I still don't understand they need a on-site server. Seems like a perfect opportunity to do everything "in the cloud".
Agree 100%
Once you explain to them what it does for them, they'll be hooked.
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@DustinB3403 said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
Why would you want to reduce cost, and implement Hyper-V and UEB?
Why not XenServer and Xen Orchestra for the Hypervisor?
I actually have no Xen experience...sadly...
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@thanksajdotcom said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@DustinB3403 said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
Why would you want to reduce cost, and implement Hyper-V and UEB?
Why not XenServer and Xen Orchestra for the Hypervisor?
I actually have no Xen experience...sadly...
It's the most simple Hypervisor out there.
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Even if they need a Windows Server (I doubt they do) but if they did I would go ZeroTier and a hosted server.
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I do agree that the more I think about it, the most hosted would make sense. For their current size, it makes a lot more sense than on-premise.
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@thanksajdotcom said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@DustinB3403 said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
Why would you want to reduce cost, and implement Hyper-V and UEB?
Why not XenServer and Xen Orchestra for the Hypervisor?
I actually have no Xen experience...sadly...
You don't need any, it's pretty simple.
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@DustinB3403 said
It's the most simple Hypervisor out there.
It really is easy.
I got a little frustrated at something this week, and decided to consider a move back to Hyper-V. I installed Hyper-V, and no lie was back to XS within the hour.
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@BRRABill said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@DustinB3403 said
It's the most simple Hypervisor out there.
It really is easy.
I got a little frustrated at something this week, and decided to consider a move back to Hyper-V. I installed Hyper-V, and no lie was back to XS within the hour.
Well that's good to hear. But the whole hypervisor discussion might be moot anyways, because the more I think about it, the more hosted makes sense.
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@thanksajdotcom said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
I do agree that the more I think about it, the most hosted would make sense. For their current size, it makes a lot more sense than on-premise.
Cost alone, I mean they can get Office365 with 1TB of storage plus more for each user, and Office apps, and e-mail .... times 7, and it would takes years before you hit the cost of a server probably.
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@thanksajdotcom said
Well that's good to hear. But the whole hypervisor discussion might be moot anyways, because the more I think about it, the more hosted makes sense.
Yep.
We used to have 60 people here, which is why we have the internal stuff.
But like I said, if I could start over, it would be all cloud.
We're actually trying to move as much as possible to the cloud as it is.
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I would recommend a VPS for their ticketing system and no AD.
For files, all they need is a simple on site NAS with redundancy.
Get them on Google Apps for business and Office 365 and call it a day.
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Also, remember that growth means extra income. As they grow, they will have more income. What you are doing is setting them up for growth. If you over spec everything they will never get value out of it. Even if the company doubled in 3 years they still would not need AD .
VPS - low monthly payment that allows for growth
Google Apps\ Office 365 - low monthly payment that allows for growth
NAS - Good investment for file sharing. They can always buy something else if they grow exponentially.
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@thanksajdotcom Everytime you get a new job is that you try to be superman and prove that you are this badass tech. Please just think about the actual requirements and leave it at that.
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@thanksajdotcom said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@DustinB3403 said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
Why would you want to reduce cost, and implement Hyper-V and UEB?
Why not XenServer and Xen Orchestra for the Hypervisor?
I actually have no Xen experience...sadly...
Do you have Hyper-V experience? Jared feels Hyper-V has the lower learning curve. I feel XenServer does. I think even he would agree given your Linux background that XenServer would be easier for you.
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@scottalanmiller said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@thanksajdotcom said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@DustinB3403 said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
Why would you want to reduce cost, and implement Hyper-V and UEB?
Why not XenServer and Xen Orchestra for the Hypervisor?
I actually have no Xen experience...sadly...
Do you have Hyper-V experience? Jared feels Hyper-V has the lower learning curve. I feel XenServer does. I think even he would agree given your Linux background that XenServer would be easier for you.
I do have Hyper-V experience. I have a lot more experience with VMware but I have done a decent amount of work with Hyper-V 2012.
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@thanksajdotcom said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
They do have a couple XP machines still in use that I was thinking we could P2V (they have expensive, licensed software on those machines, so that's why). @scottalanmiller , if I did this, would licensing be an issue if the server has multiple processors? I know you've talked about this before but I can't remember if it was only if it had more than two processors.
Only matters if you assign more (cores to the VM) than what they have licensed and what kind of key it is.
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@thanksajdotcom said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@scottalanmiller said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@thanksajdotcom said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@DustinB3403 said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
Why would you want to reduce cost, and implement Hyper-V and UEB?
Why not XenServer and Xen Orchestra for the Hypervisor?
I actually have no Xen experience...sadly...
Do you have Hyper-V experience? Jared feels Hyper-V has the lower learning curve. I feel XenServer does. I think even he would agree given your Linux background that XenServer would be easier for you.
I do have Hyper-V experience. I have a lot more experience with VMware but I have done a decent amount of work with Hyper-V 2012.
I am sure you would be fine with any hypervisor
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@IRJ said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@thanksajdotcom said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@scottalanmiller said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@thanksajdotcom said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@DustinB3403 said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
Why would you want to reduce cost, and implement Hyper-V and UEB?
Why not XenServer and Xen Orchestra for the Hypervisor?
I actually have no Xen experience...sadly...
Do you have Hyper-V experience? Jared feels Hyper-V has the lower learning curve. I feel XenServer does. I think even he would agree given your Linux background that XenServer would be easier for you.
I do have Hyper-V experience. I have a lot more experience with VMware but I have done a decent amount of work with Hyper-V 2012.
I am sure you would be fine with any hypervisor
You're probably right. I'm pretty good at figuring things out, and my Google-Fu is strong. And worst case scenario, I have this amazing community as well! I usually try to figure it out first, but I have no issues asking for help when I need it.
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A big reason I wanted to have this discussion is to help me think of things I just hadn't thought about, or think about things in a way I hadn't considered. Also, I'm still relatively new to IT, and most of yous guys (yes that was intentional
) have a lot more experience than me. It'd be an injustice to both my friend (the client) and myself to not ask for your collective expertise.
