Warhammer 40k
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@Carnival-Boy I've been trying to get other friends into 40k for a while, but it's hard to sell, to the point where I've given up completely. I still play, but the incentive to continue is dwindling, what with other games that fit my wallet and schedule better.
One thing that I love(d) from Warhammer (fantasy and 40k) was terrain. I loved making terrain, building tables, coming up with layouts for games, it was great. Nice thing about that part of the game was it was relatively cheap, still time consuming, but cheap.
@Dashrender is right too, about 2000 a year is a solid number. Then the time to build and paint, etc. The 2 hour gaming session doesn't bother me as much, as it is 2-4 hours I am hanging out with friends, but since we're all getting older and gaining responsibilities (kids, wives, etc), the 30min-1.5hr sessions of X-Wing and Warmachine are becoming more appealing.
Like I said before, have him try a bunch of different games, and different armies. He might find out that 40k is too complicated and too time consuming, or he might absolutely love it and your wallet will weep unholy tears once his birthday and holidays come up, you never know.
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Why is everyone making a big deal about cost. $300-500 startup with $50-80 on going for a hobby isn't bad at all. That is almost exactly the same as a PS4, and way cheeper than PC gaming.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Warhammer 40k:
War gaming
Haven't played W40K specifically but that's exciting that he wants to do it. Going to build a huge table and get him into painting all of is own figures? I did a lot of that when I was young.
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@s.hackleman said in Warhammer 40k:
Why is everyone making a big deal about cost. $300-500 startup with $50-80 on going for a hobby isn't bad at all. That is almost exactly the same as a PS4, and way cheeper than PC gaming.
If you don't need to buy every new game immediately PC gaming is far, far cheaper.
It isn't $300-500 to start with $50-80 ongoing. It is $300-500 to start with $100-150 every time you want to add a unit to your army. You need a specific sized army to be competitive. The costs of the books and the new releases adds up too.
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@coliver said in Warhammer 40k:
@s.hackleman said in Warhammer 40k:
Why is everyone making a big deal about cost. $300-500 startup with $50-80 on going for a hobby isn't bad at all. That is almost exactly the same as a PS4, and way cheeper than PC gaming.
If you don't need to buy every new game immediately PC gaming is far, far cheaper.
It isn't $300-500 to start with $50-80 ongoing. It is $300-500 to start with $100-150 every time you want to add a unit to your army. You need a specific sized army to be competitive. The costs of the books and the new releases adds up too.
Yeah, and in this day and age most people can PC game without any specific investment. Who doesn't have a PC? A few people, but very few. Almost all kids are able to play games, at least to some degree, on the equipment that they have already. Use Steam or GOG and you could have a huge game library for $50 total cost.
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@coliver said in Warhammer 40k:
@s.hackleman said in Warhammer 40k:
Why is everyone making a big deal about cost. $300-500 startup with $50-80 on going for a hobby isn't bad at all. That is almost exactly the same as a PS4, and way cheeper than PC gaming.
If you don't need to buy every new game immediately PC gaming is far, far cheaper.
It isn't $300-500 to start with $50-80 ongoing. It is $300-500 to start with $100-150 every time you want to add a unit to your army. You need a specific sized army to be competitive. The costs of the books and the new releases adds up too.
Ahh, competitive, that is the difference. I thought we were talking about building a small army and playing some small games at the hobby shop. I used to play MTG with a group of friends all though high school, but it slowly ended up being a battle of the pocket book, and less about casual gaming so I eventually just quit.
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@s.hackleman said in Warhammer 40k:
@coliver said in Warhammer 40k:
@s.hackleman said in Warhammer 40k:
Why is everyone making a big deal about cost. $300-500 startup with $50-80 on going for a hobby isn't bad at all. That is almost exactly the same as a PS4, and way cheeper than PC gaming.
If you don't need to buy every new game immediately PC gaming is far, far cheaper.
It isn't $300-500 to start with $50-80 ongoing. It is $300-500 to start with $100-150 every time you want to add a unit to your army. You need a specific sized army to be competitive. The costs of the books and the new releases adds up too.
Ahh, competitive, that is the difference. I thought we were talking about building a small army and playing some small games at the hobby shop. I used to play MTG with a group of friends all though high school, but it slowly ended up being a battle of the pocket book, and less about casual gaming so I eventually just quit.
Battle of the pocket book, one of the biggest reasons I stopped playing Magic. Back in my day, without that darn interwebs telling us the price of them cardboard cards, we used to just hand cards we weren't using to friends. Now these darn kids crack out TI-83s to make sure their trades aren't losing them cash.
The initial startup is about the same as a console startup, you're right. But the thing that draws most people away from wargaming is the added time cost. When you buy a console, you plug it in and start playing. Instant gratification (hello Magic players!). When you buy wargames, you spend hours building and painting. That's some people's thing (I love building, could do without painting), but not everyone's.
Also, a friend of mine has about 3-4 fully painted armies, and is starting a new one this year. I have about half of the force I'd like to have in one army in order to play him on a point level that we'd both be happy with, so I feel pressured to buy buy buy. If you and your mates are all starting small together, this isn't as big an issue however.
There are other wargames out there that cost far less money and time (looking at you X-Wing and Warmachine/Hordes). Again, whatever your preference is, play that.
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@Mr.-Cthulhu said in Warhammer 40k:
@s.hackleman said in Warhammer 40k:
@coliver said in Warhammer 40k:
@s.hackleman said in Warhammer 40k:
Why is everyone making a big deal about cost. $300-500 startup with $50-80 on going for a hobby isn't bad at all. That is almost exactly the same as a PS4, and way cheeper than PC gaming.
If you don't need to buy every new game immediately PC gaming is far, far cheaper.
It isn't $300-500 to start with $50-80 ongoing. It is $300-500 to start with $100-150 every time you want to add a unit to your army. You need a specific sized army to be competitive. The costs of the books and the new releases adds up too.
Ahh, competitive, that is the difference. I thought we were talking about building a small army and playing some small games at the hobby shop. I used to play MTG with a group of friends all though high school, but it slowly ended up being a battle of the pocket book, and less about casual gaming so I eventually just quit.
Battle of the pocket book, one of the biggest reasons I stopped playing Magic. Back in my day, without that darn interwebs telling us the price of them cardboard cards, we used to just hand cards we weren't using to friends. Now these darn kids crack out TI-83s to make sure their trades aren't losing them cash.
The initial startup is about the same as a console startup, you're right. But the thing that draws most people away from wargaming is the added time cost. When you buy a console, you plug it in and start playing. Instant gratification (hello Magic players!). When you buy wargames, you spend hours building and painting. That's some people's thing (I love building, could do without painting), but not everyone's.
Also, a friend of mine has about 3-4 fully painted armies, and is starting a new one this year. I have about half of the force I'd like to have in one army in order to play him on a point level that we'd both be happy with, so I feel pressured to buy buy buy. If you and your mates are all starting small together, this isn't as big an issue however.
There are other wargames out there that cost far less money and time (looking at you X-Wing and Warmachine/Hordes). Again, whatever your preference is, play that.
This is why I have moved to contained board games. 1 time Cost, no barrier to get friends to join in and play, and no on going cost other than expansions.
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@s.hackleman said in Warhammer 40k:
@Mr.-Cthulhu said in Warhammer 40k:
@s.hackleman said in Warhammer 40k:
@coliver said in Warhammer 40k:
@s.hackleman said in Warhammer 40k:
Why is everyone making a big deal about cost. $300-500 startup with $50-80 on going for a hobby isn't bad at all. That is almost exactly the same as a PS4, and way cheeper than PC gaming.
If you don't need to buy every new game immediately PC gaming is far, far cheaper.
It isn't $300-500 to start with $50-80 ongoing. It is $300-500 to start with $100-150 every time you want to add a unit to your army. You need a specific sized army to be competitive. The costs of the books and the new releases adds up too.
Ahh, competitive, that is the difference. I thought we were talking about building a small army and playing some small games at the hobby shop. I used to play MTG with a group of friends all though high school, but it slowly ended up being a battle of the pocket book, and less about casual gaming so I eventually just quit.
Battle of the pocket book, one of the biggest reasons I stopped playing Magic. Back in my day, without that darn interwebs telling us the price of them cardboard cards, we used to just hand cards we weren't using to friends. Now these darn kids crack out TI-83s to make sure their trades aren't losing them cash.
The initial startup is about the same as a console startup, you're right. But the thing that draws most people away from wargaming is the added time cost. When you buy a console, you plug it in and start playing. Instant gratification (hello Magic players!). When you buy wargames, you spend hours building and painting. That's some people's thing (I love building, could do without painting), but not everyone's.
Also, a friend of mine has about 3-4 fully painted armies, and is starting a new one this year. I have about half of the force I'd like to have in one army in order to play him on a point level that we'd both be happy with, so I feel pressured to buy buy buy. If you and your mates are all starting small together, this isn't as big an issue however.
There are other wargames out there that cost far less money and time (looking at you X-Wing and Warmachine/Hordes). Again, whatever your preference is, play that.
This is why I have moved to contained board games. 1 time Cost, no barrier to get friends to join in and play, and no on going cost other than expansions.
I am a board game addict. It's a real problem, this is also one of the things I love about board games. The other is the variety.
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Used to play a lot when in High School and Early years of college, spend "alot" of cash on it too, but loved painting all the stuff.
Then i found the wonderful world of Pubs and the female species lmao!
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@s.hackleman said in Warhammer 40k:
and way cheeper than PC gaming.
His main hobby is PC gaming. He has an old laptop that he mostly plays Terraria with. It was about $5 and has so far kept him entertained for about 2 years, 7 days a week. Unbelievable value for money. Probably the best investment I've ever made!
He also does a bit of Minecraft and World of Tanks, both cheap/free.
But I appreciate that in the next year or two he going to want to play games that require a proper computer, which is then going to get expensive.
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@s.hackleman said in Warhammer 40k:
@coliver said in Warhammer 40k:
@s.hackleman said in Warhammer 40k:
Why is everyone making a big deal about cost. $300-500 startup with $50-80 on going for a hobby isn't bad at all. That is almost exactly the same as a PS4, and way cheeper than PC gaming.
If you don't need to buy every new game immediately PC gaming is far, far cheaper.
It isn't $300-500 to start with $50-80 ongoing. It is $300-500 to start with $100-150 every time you want to add a unit to your army. You need a specific sized army to be competitive. The costs of the books and the new releases adds up too.
Ahh, competitive, that is the difference. I thought we were talking about building a small army and playing some small games at the hobby shop. I used to play MTG with a group of friends all though high school, but it slowly ended up being a battle of the pocket book, and less about casual gaming so I eventually just quit.
Rarely does this not end up being the situation though - unless the group is mostly closed (little to no outsiders) and the group agrees to a strict spending limit.
While not always, often the best armies do require the best pocket book.
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@Dashrender said in Warhammer 40k:
@s.hackleman said in Warhammer 40k:
@coliver said in Warhammer 40k:
@s.hackleman said in Warhammer 40k:
Why is everyone making a big deal about cost. $300-500 startup with $50-80 on going for a hobby isn't bad at all. That is almost exactly the same as a PS4, and way cheeper than PC gaming.
If you don't need to buy every new game immediately PC gaming is far, far cheaper.
It isn't $300-500 to start with $50-80 ongoing. It is $300-500 to start with $100-150 every time you want to add a unit to your army. You need a specific sized army to be competitive. The costs of the books and the new releases adds up too.
Ahh, competitive, that is the difference. I thought we were talking about building a small army and playing some small games at the hobby shop. I used to play MTG with a group of friends all though high school, but it slowly ended up being a battle of the pocket book, and less about casual gaming so I eventually just quit.
Rarely does this not end up being the situation though - unless the group is mostly closed (little to no outsiders) and the group agrees to a strict spending limit.
While not always, often the best armies do require the best pocket book.
Pretty much. There is some skill involved but often to match point wise everyone is going to be spending a lot of money.
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There was a Warmhammer40K Customizable Card Game that I played ages ago (the original one). I normally purchased 6 boxes on minor sets and at least a case on major sets.. damn talk about expensive. I think it was $300+ every 2-3 months...
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I'm playing a deathwatch campaign right now. I love the 40k universe. I wish the new Total War were 40k instead of Warhammer fantasy.
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@wirestyle22 said in Warhammer 40k:
I'm playing a deathwatch campaign right now. I love the 40k universe.
I've ran a couple of Dark Heresy games. Love the setting and fluff.
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@coliver said in Warhammer 40k:
@wirestyle22 said in Warhammer 40k:
I'm playing a deathwatch campaign right now. I love the 40k universe.
I've ran a couple of Dark Heresy games. Love the setting and fluff.
I played a lot of Top Secret when I was around 6 or 7 years old. It was either similar to D&D or actually a D&D ruleset. I'm not entirely sure it was a really long time ago.
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There was a squad based game I played several years ago - the game itself was ancient! The typical squad had like 8 figures, so the costs were very reasonable. The idea was campaigns.
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@wirestyle22 I wish our group had the numbers to run a deathwatch campaign, although we are looking at a co-op X-Wing campaign. Hopefully someone will get the ball rolling...
Fantasy was my first baby, and it killed me when they killed it with AoS. I'm loving everything I see about Total War Warhammer.
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@Mr.-Cthulhu said in Warhammer 40k:
@wirestyle22 I wish our group had the numbers to run a deathwatch campaign, although we are looking at a co-op X-Wing campaign. Hopefully someone will get the ball rolling...
Fantasy was my first baby, and it killed me when they killed it with AoS. I'm loving everything I see about Total War Warhammer.
We actually have people trying to get in and we just don't have the room. Past 6 people becomes unmanageable imo
