If you don't question me, you don't respect me
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Originally posted here: https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/396228-if-you-don-t-question-me-you-don-t-respect-me
I can't believe that this was never reposted here, I feel that this is one of my more important posts over the years.
I've said it before but it bears saying again. This is a professional community. It is through asking, testing, probing, questioning, trying... that we learn from each other. I don't want people taking things that I say as some kind of mandate (unless I put it in bold, then you can work from fiat
but I want people to read what I say (as I do with others) and ask if it is true and correct. Ask questions, push me to defend what I say. Don't state things if you too are not prepared to defend them.Let's work through things together. We are all here to grow, agreed? Not to spout opinion and hope that no one else is knowledgeable enough to catch on. If we do that the community has no value. This is our sounding board. This is how we test each other. No one has all the answers, this field is huge and complex. Things are always changing. If we don't have this process we stagnate.
That doesn't mean probing the same, tried and true ideas every day - let's take time to look up existing arguments and see what has been seen as consensus and only continue to disagree if we see errors or are aware of new data. But in new situations we should work out what is true, what is best, what is good enough, what works and what does not. It is through this process, this communal feedback loop, that we become better than the individual components of the community. This is what makes Spiceworks no longer a Q&A site but a think tank for the industry. We are no longer just a passive community in a sea of IT, we are a thought generator pushing the field to improve as we do ourselves.
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something something RAiD5 is the best.
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@NattNatt said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
something something RAiD5 is the best.
You forgot the last something.
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@Dashrender said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
@NattNatt said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
something something RAiD5 is the best.
You forgot the last something.
It felt redundant to me...
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@NattNatt said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
@Dashrender said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
@NattNatt said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
something something RAiD5 is the best.
You forgot the last something.
It felt redundant to me...
A little repetitive, even.
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I am all for using places like Mangolassi and Spiceworks as sounding boards for ideas and thought processes. I've learned more in my last year or two on here than my entire time on SW, simply because here at ML much less gets lost in the noise.
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@dafyre That's a scale problem. Once ML is a big as SW you have the same problem all over again.
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@aaronstuder said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
@dafyre That's a scale problem. Once ML is a big as SW you have the same problem all over again.
Well - good mods can really help with that.
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@aaronstuder said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
@dafyre That's a scale problem. Once ML is a big as SW you have the same problem all over again.
True. But I know enough people on here (the regulars that post) that it'd be easier for me to sort out the noise from the good comments. Over on SW, you are right, there are simply too many people.
But as @Dashrender said... Good mods can also separate the wheat from the chaff.
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The problem I'm finding with Spiceworks, in its current state, is that I'm not really learning anything anymore. It really doesn't have as much value as it did a few years ago when I was a bit greener. Most of the interesting threads are usually buried beneath a tenfold pile of redundancy. Even featured discussions/questions are frequently topics that have been discussed NUMEROUS times over the years.
So many dead horses regularly being beaten into the the dirt.
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And I'm really sick of seeing "What's the best/yourFavorite _____?" conversations. Targetted questions like "What is the most economical video card that is compatible with Solidworks 2016?" are great! I might actually learn something.
"What's the bestest linux distro for laptops?" questions are a waste of time. They get 20 pages of feedback of no importance or relevance to ANYTHING useful, yet garner a large amount of attention. gag
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One thing that may help out ML is that there is no rating system based on number of posts/etc. so you don't have people trying to "move up to the next level" so to speak by posting garbage.
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I love friendly and healthy discussion about a certain topic. If I'm not posting for help (as in, CRAP this is broken how do I fix it?!), I'm posting because I want the opinions and experience of the members of the board.
What drives me nuts is when people post statements similarly to "well if you're not doing X then you're an idiot." That is NOT HELPFUL.
Also what drives me nuts is when people don't take the time to read the entire OP before responding. On SW more often than not I've had a lot of quick spastic replies to posts I've made and it's obvious they either didn't read the OP completely or did not understand what I was asking. They often feel like "points" posts. I then have to regurgitate my OP multiple times and it's frustrating.
I participate in communities like SW and ML because I am the first to admit that I do NOT know nor have experienced everything from every angle. Having input from the diversity of these communities helps me grow as an IT professional. And, who knows, maybe my post will help someone out in the future.
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@brianlittlejohn said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
One thing that may help out ML is that there is no rating system based on number of posts/etc. so you don't have people trying to "move up to the next level" so to speak by posting garbage.
Speak for yourself - I'm trying for first place in the number of posts on ML category.
Though considering Scott has more than 3 times as many posts as me.. probably won't happen in my lifetime.And for those that don't know... I'm totally joking!
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@Dashrender said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
@brianlittlejohn said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
One thing that may help out ML is that there is no rating system based on number of posts/etc. so you don't have people trying to "move up to the next level" so to speak by posting garbage.
Speak for yourself - I'm trying for first place in the number of posts on ML category.
Though considering Scott has more than 3 times as many posts as me.. probably won't happen in my lifetime.And for those that don't know... I'm totally joking!
I tihnk @scottalanmiller has more than the rest of us in the top 10 combined, lol.
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@dafyre said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
@Dashrender said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
@brianlittlejohn said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
One thing that may help out ML is that there is no rating system based on number of posts/etc. so you don't have people trying to "move up to the next level" so to speak by posting garbage.
Speak for yourself - I'm trying for first place in the number of posts on ML category.
Though considering Scott has more than 3 times as many posts as me.. probably won't happen in my lifetime.And for those that don't know... I'm totally joking!
I tihnk @scottalanmiller has more than the rest of us in the top 10 combined, lol.
Nope, the next 8 combines
The gap from 2nd to 3rd is nearly 2 to 1.
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@aaronstuder said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
@dafyre That's a scale problem. Once ML is a big as SW you have the same problem all over again.
We've heard from several sources that there is more activity here, than there. At least in the "non watercooler" areas. If you watch at slow times when both sites are slow, ML is a little busier typically. If you watch the same post in both places, we see as much as 40x the traffic on the SW sites. Some big vendors and even some SW insiders have commented on how much busier ML is.
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@Dashrender said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
@aaronstuder said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
@dafyre That's a scale problem. Once ML is a big as SW you have the same problem all over again.
Well - good mods can really help with that.
And bad ones will exacerbate it.
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@aaronstuder said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
@dafyre That's a scale problem. Once ML is a big as SW you have the same problem all over again.
I'm sure that scale is a factor, but there are very big different factors at play as well. How users are attracted is massively different. ML only attracts through people reading discussions or through word of mouth. SW primarily attracts through the recruitment of people using the free tool. Those are very different pools of users.
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@RamblingBiped said in If you don't question me, you don't respect me:
The problem I'm finding with Spiceworks, in its current state, is that I'm not really learning anything anymore. It really doesn't have as much value as it did a few years ago when I was a bit greener. Most of the interesting threads are usually buried beneath a tenfold pile of redundancy. Even featured discussions/questions are frequently topics that have been discussed NUMEROUS times over the years.
So many dead horses regularly being beaten into the the dirt.
That's a good point. ML actually suffers in that people tend to learn material and let it go so the traffic goes way down because there isn't the insane banter of repeating unfounded points ad nauseum, ignoring thousands of supporting posts and threads and having to be shown how they missed even basic research over and over again. ML doesn't even have a single thread asking about RAID 5 or SAN, actually, that I can remember. On SW, it's bread and butter to rehash that same argument a few times a week.
