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    • brianlittlejohnB
      brianlittlejohn
      last edited by

      No matter what they say... length matters 😉

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      • travisdh1T
        travisdh1 @brianlittlejohn
        last edited by

        @brianlittlejohn said:

        No matter what they say... length matters 😉

        Yes, I purposely went there. I'm heading home now, latter 😜

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        • BRRABillB
          BRRABill @travisdh1
          last edited by

          @travisdh1 said:

          Length matters, everything else is a flying spaghetti monster. If you really want to know why, you've got a LOT of reading to do, and probably more math than you've ever wanted to understand, let alone do.

          I also agree with that.

          I am just saying isn't

          thisisalongpassword

          weaker than

          thisisa@longpassword

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @BRRABill
            last edited by

            @BRRABill said:

            @travisdh1 said:

            Length matters, everything else is a flying spaghetti monster. If you really want to know why, you've got a LOT of reading to do, and probably more math than you've ever wanted to understand, let alone do.

            I also agree with that.

            I am just saying isn't

            thisisalongpassword

            weaker than

            thisisa@longpassword

            Yes, of course it is. but thisisalongpassword is way better than P@ssw0rd

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            • BRRABillB
              BRRABill @Dashrender
              last edited by

              @Dashrender said:

              Yes, of course it is. but thisisalongpassword is way better than P@ssw0rd

              I originally was questioning @scottalanmiller that

              password
              and
              P@ssw0rd

              are the same to a computer.

              Not arguing anything here. Agree with it all.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender
                last edited by

                @Dashrender said:

                thisisalongpassword

                according to howsecureismypassword.com

                thisisalongpassword
                0_1458855493627_pass1.JPG

                and P@ssw0rd

                0_1458855525668_pass2.JPG

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @BRRABill
                  last edited by

                  @BRRABill said:

                  @Dashrender said:

                  Yes, of course it is. but thisisalongpassword is way better than P@ssw0rd

                  I originally was questioning @scottalanmiller that

                  password
                  and
                  P@ssw0rd

                  are the same to a computer.

                  Not arguing anything here. Agree with it all.

                  He was over simplifying it, sure. But both would be in a pre defined dictionary which would take seconds to crack so he does have that on his side.

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                  • Deleted74295D
                    Deleted74295 Banned
                    last edited by

                    http://howsecureismypassword.com/

                    Appears to be offline 😛

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                    • BRRABillB
                      BRRABill @Deleted74295
                      last edited by

                      @Breffni-Potter said:

                      http://howsecureismypassword.com/

                      Appears to be offline 😛

                      .NET

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                      • BRRABillB
                        BRRABill
                        last edited by

                        thisisalongpassword = 607 million years

                        thisisalongpasswor@ = 3 trillion years

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @BRRABill
                          last edited by

                          @BRRABill said:

                          @Breffni-Potter said:

                          http://howsecureismypassword.com/

                          Appears to be offline 😛

                          .NET

                          whoops

                          https://howsecureismypassword.net/

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                          • BRRABillB
                            BRRABill @Dashrender
                            last edited by

                            @Dashrender said:

                            whoops

                            https://howsecureismypassword.net/

                            At least it wasn't a porn site.

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender @BRRABill
                              last edited by

                              @BRRABill said:

                              thisisalongpassword = 607 million years

                              thisisalongpasswor@ = 3 trillion years

                              Is there a real difference? A meaningful difference?

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @BRRABill
                                last edited by

                                @BRRABill said:

                                @Dashrender said:

                                whoops

                                https://howsecureismypassword.net/

                                At least it wasn't a porn site.

                                Why?

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                                • BRRABillB
                                  BRRABill @Dashrender
                                  last edited by

                                  @Dashrender said:

                                  Is there a real difference? A meaningful difference?

                                  Yes.

                                  I plan to live between those two numbers, so I need the stronger password.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @BRRABill
                                    last edited by

                                    @BRRABill said:

                                    @Dashrender said:

                                    Is there a real difference? A meaningful difference?

                                    Yes.

                                    I plan to live between those two numbers, so I need the stronger password.

                                    Just change it at least once between now and then and you should be fine.

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                                    • BRRABillB
                                      BRRABill @Dashrender
                                      last edited by

                                      @Dashrender said:

                                      Is there a real difference? A meaningful difference?

                                      My point is that just adding a capital or symbol adds a lot of complexity to the password. It can make a big difference when dealing with shorter passwords. (Say 12 or less.) Why totally take them out of the equation? Especially at the beginning or end of the passphrase? Or on sites that don't allow longer passwords for whatever reason.

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                                      • BRRABillB
                                        BRRABill @Dashrender
                                        last edited by

                                        @Dashrender said:

                                        Just change it at least once between now and then and you should be fine.

                                        I was planning to just add another @ sign but apparently that is a no-no. 🙂

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @BRRABill
                                          last edited by

                                          @BRRABill said:

                                          @Dashrender said:

                                          Is there a real difference? A meaningful difference?

                                          My point is that just adding a capital or symbol adds a lot of complexity to the password. It can make a big difference when dealing with shorter passwords. (Say 12 or less.) Why totally take them out of the equation? Especially at the beginning or end of the passphrase? Or on sites that don't allow longer passwords for whatever reason.

                                          No one ever said take them out.. just that they aren't a requirement.

                                          the general belief is that the more requirements you put on users, the more they will fight you. So do 12+ and have no requirements - you can suggest that they put in caps, numbers, special characters.. but not required.

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                                          • BRRABillB
                                            BRRABill @Dashrender
                                            last edited by

                                            @Dashrender said:

                                            No one ever said take them out.. just that they aren't a requirement.

                                            the general belief is that the more requirements you put on users, the more they will fight you. So do 12+ and have no requirements - you can suggest that they put in caps, numbers, special characters.. but not required.

                                            Got it.

                                            I'm glad you and I had this little discussion!

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