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    Intel NUC Kit - The Prefect Home Lab Server?

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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @coliver
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      @coliver said:

      What other types of enterprise software RAID is there?

      Oh sure. FakeRAID for example. And some cheesy stuff from third parties.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @gjacobse
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        @gjacobse said:

        @scottalanmiller said:

        @iroal said:

        The problem are the expansions, you cannot add any PCI Express so you cannot change the Graphic card, sound card, add Sata drivers...

        I agree that that is a limitation, but is it a problem? Considering you would look at these as business desktops or lab servers, I would never be adding GPUs or sound cards to those. Well almost never, GPUs once in a great while. I get that it only has Intel GPU on board and those are total garbage, but for a business desktop normally fine. But as business machines, I don't think that those limitations are real and any business desktop of this form factor will have the same limitations so that is a form factor problem, not a NUC one per se.

        This is part of my issue. for a project I am wanting to do running a VM is fine,.. but to have all of it on one monitor could make the video so small that it's impossible to see.

        The project: a NOC monitor - To monitor my network and a few others.. I'm not looking to run a Datacenter out of the house,.. just something roughly simple.

        If you just need more monitors and not heavy GPU processing, can't you just use the USB-C output?

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        • gjacobseG
          gjacobse @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said:

          @gjacobse said:

          @scottalanmiller said:

          @iroal said:

          The problem are the expansions, you cannot add any PCI Express so you cannot change the Graphic card, sound card, add Sata drivers...

          I agree that that is a limitation, but is it a problem? Considering you would look at these as business desktops or lab servers, I would never be adding GPUs or sound cards to those. Well almost never, GPUs once in a great while. I get that it only has Intel GPU on board and those are total garbage, but for a business desktop normally fine. But as business machines, I don't think that those limitations are real and any business desktop of this form factor will have the same limitations so that is a form factor problem, not a NUC one per se.

          This is part of my issue. for a project I am wanting to do running a VM is fine,.. but to have all of it on one monitor could make the video so small that it's impossible to see.

          The project: a NOC monitor - To monitor my network and a few others.. I'm not looking to run a Datacenter out of the house,.. just something roughly simple.

          If you just need more monitors and not heavy GPU processing, can't you just use the USB-C output?

          Suppose you could - with additional cables / adapters.

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          • coliverC
            coliver @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said:

            @coliver said:

            What other types of enterprise software RAID is there?

            Oh sure. FakeRAID for example. And some cheesy stuff from third parties.

            Are those enterprise software RAIDs?

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @coliver
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              @coliver said:

              @scottalanmiller said:

              @coliver said:

              What other types of enterprise software RAID is there?

              Oh sure. FakeRAID for example. And some cheesy stuff from third parties.

              Are those enterprise software RAIDs?

              Sorry, thought you asked what NON-enterprise ones are there ๐Ÿ™‚

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
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                All the OS software RAID is enterprise (Windows software RAID is the only questionable one and that's a grey area and does hot swap anyway) like MD, ZFS, BtrFS... every enterprise OS (Windows being a semi-exception) has enterprise software RAID built in and has for decades. AIX, HP-UX, Solaris (on Sparc), mainframes, etc. have no other options but software RAID.

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                • coliverC
                  coliver @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @coliver said:

                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @coliver said:

                  What other types of enterprise software RAID is there?

                  Oh sure. FakeRAID for example. And some cheesy stuff from third parties.

                  Are those enterprise software RAIDs?

                  Sorry, thought you asked what NON-enterprise ones are there ๐Ÿ™‚

                  Nah, you mentioned all enterprise software RAID. The only I know about is MD-RAID. Was curious what else was on the market.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
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                    ZFS is often considered the gold standard for software RAID. Not as old as MD but has more features, like RAID 5.3/7 which no one else has and variable width striping. It's generally minor stuff, but gives it a slight edge in quality. BtrFS is expected to go toe to toe with it soon. MD is among the best.

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                    • bbigfordB
                      bbigford @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      @LAH3385 said:

                      Wait for Skull Canyon. it features quadcore i7.
                      http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/skull-canyon-nuc-ces-2016/

                      That is what I am getting for Black Friday purchase. Install with Samsung 950Pro. xD

                      Nice. What are the limitations of using an external GPU dock in that way? That could make for a good, portable gaming system.

                      Most external docks require some type of proprietary connection on both the external dock, and the device it connects to (making the dock wildly expensive when you factor in it also requires a GPU to be purchased). Aside from that, the connectors sometimes experience bandwidth constraint, when you compare it to PCI-E. For proprietary, Alienware comes to mind and at $200 just for the dock (initially released for $300), that's a bit difficult for me to swallow. http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/alienware-graphics-amplifier?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&sku=452-BBRG&redirect=1รขโ‚ฌโ€น

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller
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                        Yeah, I looked into it and it just doesn't cut it for gaming.

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                        • wrx7mW
                          wrx7m
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                          Those reviews don't look that great.

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                          • wirestyle22W
                            wirestyle22 @wrx7m
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                            @wrx7m said:

                            Those reviews don't look that great.

                            For the amplifier or the nuc?

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                            • wrx7mW
                              wrx7m @wirestyle22
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                              @wirestyle22 NUC

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                              • wirestyle22W
                                wirestyle22 @wrx7m
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                                @wrx7m said:

                                @wirestyle22 NUC

                                Seems like a lot of failures but I take reviews with a grain of salt unless I know the person (or of the person) giving the review.

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                                • wrx7mW
                                  wrx7m @wirestyle22
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                                  @wirestyle22 Sure, you have to read the reason they are complaining. Some are really dumb reasons but that is why I always read the 1-2 stars first. The way I see this one, is first it is only 3.5 ish stars. Second, there are only 13 reviews so I can't really get a broad enough sample. Third, the low ratings are complaining of failures. Fourth, the first review I read said that they changed their review to a lower rating because they must have also gotten a lemon.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller
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                                    We just had this with a rental car thing. Every negative review was someone doing something clearly wrong and pissed that the rental car company charged them for something that they screwed up.

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                                    • wirestyle22W
                                      wirestyle22 @wrx7m
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                                      @wrx7m said:

                                      @wirestyle22 Sure, you have to read the reason they are complaining. Some are really dumb reasons but that is why I always read the 1-2 stars first. The way I see this one, is first it is only 3.5 ish stars. Second, there are only 13 reviews so I can't really get a broad enough sample. Third, the low ratings are complaining of failures. Fourth, the first review I read said that they changed their review to a lower rating because they must have also gotten a lemon.

                                      Yeah I read a few. Possible bad batch. Possible bad product. Like you said, not enough reviews to really know. I hope if there is in fact a problem that they will resolve it as quickly as possible. I was considering buying one for my fiance.

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                                      • L
                                        LAH3385
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                                        This seem a bit side tracked from the original question. NUC for Lab Server.

                                        @wrx7m said:

                                        Those reviews don't look that great.

                                        People who usually write reviews are either those who want to pass it forward... and those who don't have anything else better to do, or pissed off customers who said manual transmission is faulty because it doesn't shift gears by itself. or DOA.

                                        When reading reviews make sure you read back at most 6 months. Most likely you will not get the same product from the same batch reviewer received.

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