CAT6 End to End?
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@brianlittlejohn said:
@scottalanmiller said:
What is even "worse", if anything can be, is that the Cisco Platinum Partner host that was hosting the event decided to play along and not call their bluff and hope that the audience, which was all IT people, wouldn't notice!! That or they actually weren't aware of what a realistic lie about networking would sound like.
I don't even want to imagine how much the Cisco router would be that could handle 14Tb/s ...
Hard to imagine Cisco ever being able to handle that. Ubiquiti will be doing 1Pb/s before Cisco figures TB/s out!
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@scottalanmiller said:
@brianlittlejohn said:
@scottalanmiller said:
What is even "worse", if anything can be, is that the Cisco Platinum Partner host that was hosting the event decided to play along and not call their bluff and hope that the audience, which was all IT people, wouldn't notice!! That or they actually weren't aware of what a realistic lie about networking would sound like.
I don't even want to imagine how much the Cisco router would be that could handle 14Tb/s ...
Hard to imagine Cisco ever being able to handle that. Ubiquiti will be doing 1Pb/s before Cisco figures TB/s out!
Ubiquiti gets all the street cred (and probably all the single ladies too).
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We do all CAT6A here. Cable is fairly cheap.. It's the install that costs us.
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@MattSpeller said:
@NattNatt said:
Company now uses all Cat6 - but I miss Cat 5e, was easier to run and terminate, easier to bend etc too...
You won't miss 5e in a couple years when 10gig switching is dirt cheap
No doubt...but we'll no doubt have re-run ALL the cables at least 3 times before then...
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@NattNatt said:
@MattSpeller said:
@NattNatt said:
Company now uses all Cat6 - but I miss Cat 5e, was easier to run and terminate, easier to bend etc too...
You won't miss 5e in a couple years when 10gig switching is dirt cheap
No doubt...but we'll no doubt have re-run ALL the cables at least 3 times before then...
Hahaha I was going to say "or you'll have moved by then"
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@MattSpeller said:
@NattNatt said:
@MattSpeller said:
@NattNatt said:
Company now uses all Cat6 - but I miss Cat 5e, was easier to run and terminate, easier to bend etc too...
You won't miss 5e in a couple years when 10gig switching is dirt cheap
No doubt...but we'll no doubt have re-run ALL the cables at least 3 times before then...
Hahaha I was going to say "or you'll have moved by then"
Apparently the boss is trying to procure the building that's opposite us, and plans to bridge across into that too...If we get it, it'll be awesome...but the company who own it are fairly massive, so we shall see....
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@NattNatt No worries there, just string cat6 through a couple windows, give it a tug to get the droop out
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I'm running all CAT6 for premise wiring. I might still use some CAT5e patch cables, but those are easily enough swapped out. I have heard of some PoE+ cameras burning up when run over CAT 5 cable. I don't want to have to go and rewire a building because I saved a few bucks on the cable.
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@Mike-Davis said:
I'm running all CAT6 for premise wiring. I might still use some CAT5e patch cables, but those are easily enough swapped out. I have heard of some PoE+ cameras burning up when run over CAT 5 cable. I don't want to have to go and rewire a building because I saved a few bucks on the cable.
That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.
A camera burning up would be more likely to have been caused by poor termination or damage to the cable when it was ran. Of course the wire could be bad internally, but in more than 7 years professionally installing alarm systems (some on ethernet) and another 17 doing network cabling intermittently, I have never had a box of bad cable. I am sure it happens, but I have never seen it.
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@JaredBusch said:
@Mike-Davis said:
I'm running all CAT6 for premise wiring. I might still use some CAT5e patch cables, but those are easily enough swapped out. I have heard of some PoE+ cameras burning up when run over CAT 5 cable. I don't want to have to go and rewire a building because I saved a few bucks on the cable.
That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.
A camera burning up would be more likely to have been caused by poor termination or damage to the cable when it was ran. Of course the wire could be bad internally, but in more than 7 years professionally installing alarm systems (some on ethernet) and another 17 doing network cabling intermittently, I have never had a box of bad cable. I am sure it happens, but I have never seen it.
Most manufacturs test the whole spool as one before it ships. I don't think I've ever seen bad cable either only bad termination or b damaged cable from installers putting too much stress on a cable.
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@MattSpeller said:
@NattNatt No worries there, just string cat6 through a couple windows, give it a tug to get the droop out
That works with fibre too right?
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@JaredBusch said:
That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.
I haven't installed many PoE+ cameras and have only had those running less than a year. Do you have a number of PoE+ cameras running on CAT5? Longer runs? I'm wondering why the camera company I was dealing made such a big deal about 23 guage CAT6 for their cameras. Maybe because it had a heater?
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@Mike-Davis said:
@JaredBusch said:
That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.
I haven't installed many PoE+ cameras and have only had those running less than a year. Do you have a number of PoE+ cameras running on CAT5? Longer runs? I'm wondering why the camera company I was dealing made such a big deal about 23 guage CAT6 for their cameras. Maybe because it had a heater?
Possibly. What is the wattage draw on the unit?
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@Mike-Davis said:
@JaredBusch said:
That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.
I haven't installed many PoE+ cameras and have only had those running less than a year. Do you have a number of PoE+ cameras running on CAT5? Longer runs? I'm wondering why the camera company I was dealing made such a big deal about 23 guage CAT6 for their cameras. Maybe because it had a heater?
You mean a heater as in a heating unit? I guess? A quality cat5e cable will tolerate temperatures from -4 to 167 degrees Fahrenheit. Keep in mind I run a lot of cabling for my company but I am by no means a cabling guru. Maybe they know something I don't. shrug
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@wirestyle22 said:
@Mike-Davis said:
@JaredBusch said:
That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.
I haven't installed many PoE+ cameras and have only had those running less than a year. Do you have a number of PoE+ cameras running on CAT5? Longer runs? I'm wondering why the camera company I was dealing made such a big deal about 23 guage CAT6 for their cameras. Maybe because it had a heater?
You mean a heater as in a heating unit? I guess? A quality cat5e cable will tolerate temperatures from -4 to 167 degrees Fahrenheit. Keep in mind I run a lot of cabling for my company but I am by no means a cabling guru. Maybe they know something I don't. shrug
He means a heater in the camera enclosure.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@Mike-Davis said:
@JaredBusch said:
That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.
I haven't installed many PoE+ cameras and have only had those running less than a year. Do you have a number of PoE+ cameras running on CAT5? Longer runs? I'm wondering why the camera company I was dealing made such a big deal about 23 guage CAT6 for their cameras. Maybe because it had a heater?
You mean a heater as in a heating unit? I guess? A quality cat5e cable will tolerate temperatures from -4 to 167 degrees Fahrenheit. Keep in mind I run a lot of cabling for my company but I am by no means a cabling guru. Maybe they know something I don't. shrug
He means a heater in the camera enclosure.
Whats the point in that? I'm guessing reduce fog/ice etc?
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@NattNatt said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@Mike-Davis said:
@JaredBusch said:
That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.
I haven't installed many PoE+ cameras and have only had those running less than a year. Do you have a number of PoE+ cameras running on CAT5? Longer runs? I'm wondering why the camera company I was dealing made such a big deal about 23 guage CAT6 for their cameras. Maybe because it had a heater?
You mean a heater as in a heating unit? I guess? A quality cat5e cable will tolerate temperatures from -4 to 167 degrees Fahrenheit. Keep in mind I run a lot of cabling for my company but I am by no means a cabling guru. Maybe they know something I don't. shrug
He means a heater in the camera enclosure.
Whats the point in that? I'm guessing reduce fog/ice etc?
Yup.
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yes, like this:
http://www.axis.com/us/en/products/axis-q1604-e
I should add I'm in upstate New York, so our winter may be different than yours.. -
@Mike-Davis said:
yes, like this:
http://www.axis.com/us/en/products/axis-q1604-e
I should add I'm in upstate New York, so our winter may be different than yours..NTG has managed Axis cameras in harsh conditions for UofR in Upstate NY, in fact.
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@Mike-Davis said:
yes, like this:
http://www.axis.com/us/en/products/axis-q1604-e
I should add I'm in upstate New York, so our winter may be different than yours..That camera is rated at pulling the full 25.5 watts. that is excessive. It you are going to be pulling that kind of power, you need to be certain of your connectors and wiring.
