Disaster Recovery and Disaster Avoidance Planning for a Small Manufacturing Firm
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@Dashrender said:
My only question about that setup is, will it have the IOPs he needs?
Great question. Have the results from that DPACK been posted yet?
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@scottalanmiller @Dashrender @travisdh1
Of course it will. He is not doing anything that takes IOPS. go back and read the OP.
a DC, file server, server running Veeam, and an old SQL server that Excel spread sheets connect to.
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Just to quantify my experience, I have a client with Server 2008 R2, SQL 2008 R2, and MS Dynamics 2011 running an accounting application. it runs just fine on 7.2k NL SAS
People have this fear of SQL and think it needs 15K drives to do anything.
Most SMB do not use any application hard enough to warrant 15K or even 10k drive a lot of the time.
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@JaredBusch said:
Just to quantify my experience, I have a client with Server 2008 R2, SQL 2008 R2, and MS Dynamics 2011 running an accounting application. it runs just fine on 7.2k NL SAS
People have this fear of SQL and think it needs 15K drives to do anything.
Most SMB do not use any application hard enough to warrant 15K or even 10k drive a lot of the time.
And most of those remaining that do can more effectively fix that using more memory rather than faster storage. A little extra memory can do performance wonders for SQL Server.
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@scottalanmiller @JaredBusch Thanks for the mention!
@garak0410 we (xByte) can definitely help you out with a lower cost solution on refurb servers with full manufacturer's warranty. We are open to setup a conference call so you can speak with our engineers in order to find the right solution to fit your needs. Feel free to email me directly at [email protected]. I look forward to hearing from you.
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@JaredBusch said:
Just to quantify my experience, I have a client with Server 2008 R2, SQL 2008 R2, and MS Dynamics 2011 running an accounting application. it runs just fine on 7.2k NL SAS
People have this fear of SQL and think it needs 15K drives to do anything.
Most SMB do not use any application hard enough to warrant 15K or even 10k drive a lot of the time.
I only wanted to make sure it was considered.. it wasn't a fear.
I have an Exchange server and 6 other VMs all running on SAS NL (8 drives in RAID 10). Works great most of the time. Backups do put a bit of a strain on it.
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@garak0410 said:
I've got a ghost writer...nice...
I am just crazy busy at work but this post reflects a fraction of what's on my plate right now. SO let me take a piece at a time.
We are running production VM's on that aging (but licensed) PowerEdge 2900. Do I need replacing that as my priority or perhaps look at the Starwind solution first? We are going to need more storage since we are adopting DocuWare.
Could be! there will be some mess with licensing as we don't do Xen so for NFS storage you'll need VMware key
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@KOOLER said:
Could be! there will be some mess with licensing as we don't do Xen...
You guys should fix that, you know...
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@garak0410 said:
We are running production VM's on that aging (but licensed) PowerEdge 2900. Do I need replacing that as my priority or perhaps look at the Starwind solution first?
Actually two options here:
StarWind Virtual SAN, which is software only
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-virtual-san
StarWind HyperConverged Platform, which is the bundle of the Dell hardware, storage and hypervisor. https://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-hyperconverged-applianceActually in my opinion giving a try to the second option is way much better idea since you are still considering geΠ΅ting the Xbyte as an option, and xByte is actually out partners
So as the result you`ll get the fully functional system, not just the part of it. -
@original_anvil said:
@garak0410 said:
We are running production VM's on that aging (but licensed) PowerEdge 2900. Do I need replacing that as my priority or perhaps look at the Starwind solution first?
Actually two options here:
StarWind Virtual SAN, which is software only
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-virtual-san
StarWind HyperConverged Platform, which is the bundle of the Dell hardware, storage and hypervisor. https://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-hyperconverged-applianceActually in my opinion giving a try to the second option is way much better idea since you are still considering geΠ΅ting the Xbyte as an option, and xByte is actually out partners
So as the result you`ll get the fully functional system, not just the part of it.Does it come pre built? I thought that was generally frowned upon around here?
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@Dashrender said:
@original_anvil said:
@garak0410 said:
We are running production VM's on that aging (but licensed) PowerEdge 2900. Do I need replacing that as my priority or perhaps look at the Starwind solution first?
Actually two options here:
StarWind Virtual SAN, which is software only
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-virtual-san
StarWind HyperConverged Platform, which is the bundle of the Dell hardware, storage and hypervisor. https://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-hyperconverged-applianceActually in my opinion giving a try to the second option is way much better idea since you are still considering geΠ΅ting the Xbyte as an option, and xByte is actually out partners
So as the result you`ll get the fully functional system, not just the part of it.Does it come pre built? I thought that was generally frowned upon around here?
It is frowned upon, but not because of the pre-built bit I don't think. I think it's that most pre-built kit has SPOF somewhere and is sold as HA when it's not. Just be sure you're getting what you need instead of what a sales guy want's to sell you.
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OK @travisdh1 , but I was looking more from a configuration side of things, not SPOF.
Scott generally speaks out about users having vendors do the hardware setup of a server. The vendor probably won't make the settings setups decisions that you want/need.
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@Dashrender said:
OK @travisdh1 , but I was looking more from a configuration side of things, not SPOF.
Scott generally speaks out about users having vendors do the hardware setup of a server. The vendor probably won't make the settings setups decisions that you want/need.
Well that one is sold as an appliance. So you would expect configuration. THis one seems different only because it is on an Dell server.
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@JaredBusch said:
@Dashrender said:
OK @travisdh1 , but I was looking more from a configuration side of things, not SPOF.
Scott generally speaks out about users having vendors do the hardware setup of a server. The vendor probably won't make the settings setups decisions that you want/need.
Well that one is sold as an appliance. So you would expect configuration. THis one seems different only because it is on an Dell server.
Which bring me back to my question - is this is wise buy considering it's an appliance? Maybe it is, maybe it's been vetted and found to be a good setup - then again, maybe not?
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@Dashrender said:
OK @travisdh1 , but I was looking more from a configuration side of things, not SPOF.
Scott generally speaks out about users having vendors do the hardware setup of a server. The vendor probably won't make the settings setups decisions that you want/need.
Considering some of the things I've seen come from manufacturer that's the right conclusion. In this case tho, you're specifying how much CPU, RAM, HD/SSD, etc you want and all they do is setup the StarWinds VSAN for you. Is it better for you to do it yourself? Probably. In this case I'd actually consider it, assuming someone from StarWind is actually doing the configuration.
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@JaredBusch said:
@Dashrender said:
OK @travisdh1 , but I was looking more from a configuration side of things, not SPOF.
Scott generally speaks out about users having vendors do the hardware setup of a server. The vendor probably won't make the settings setups decisions that you want/need.
Well that one is sold as an appliance. So you would expect configuration. THis one seems different only because it is on an Dell server.
This is the key. Determine if it is an appliance (e.g. you don't manage it) or a server (e.g. you manage it.) Who takes care of it once it is installed? All NAS and SAN are appliances, you require the vendor for support. That's fine, but you have to make the distinction of if you are in "whole hog" with the vendor and are okay with an appliance or you want to have flexibility and support it yourself like a server.
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@travisdh1 said:
@Dashrender said:
OK @travisdh1 , but I was looking more from a configuration side of things, not SPOF.
Scott generally speaks out about users having vendors do the hardware setup of a server. The vendor probably won't make the settings setups decisions that you want/need.
Considering some of the things I've seen come from manufacturer that's the right conclusion. In this case tho, you're specifying how much CPU, RAM, HD/SSD, etc you want and all they do is setup the StarWinds VSAN for you. Is it better for you to do it yourself? Probably. In this case I'd actually consider it, assuming someone from StarWind is actually doing the configuration.
Why would you assume that? The hardware is coming from XByte. I'd assume the setup was being done by XByte.
Of course that doesn't imply that it's wrong, only that it is.
Also, what I don't know - do you have to install the hypervisor first? I'm assuming the answer to that is yes. Why do I assume this? Because StarWinds only supports Hyper-V and ESXi. If it was installed before any hypervisor, then it wouldn't matter what hypervisor was installed over the top, because the array would be presented just like a RAID controller presents disk to an OS installed on top of it (though since I don't know - I could be mistaken).
So assuming that StarWinds has to be installed after the hypervisor, now we're allowing the vendor to install that as well.
Again - this could be a great appliance, on tune with Scale. I'm guessing those machines come all pre built, just drop and start using them. So I'm not trying to trash anyone, I'm simply asking.
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@Dashrender said:
Again - this could be a great appliance, on tune with Scale. I'm guessing those machines come all pre built, just drop and start using them. So I'm not trying to trash anyone, I'm simply asking.
Correct, they are a fully supported appliance. Same as a Unitrends, for example.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Again - this could be a great appliance, on tune with Scale. I'm guessing those machines come all pre built, just drop and start using them. So I'm not trying to trash anyone, I'm simply asking.
Correct, they are a fully supported appliance. Same as a Unitrends, for example.
I had written Unitrends originally, but felt that Scale provided a better point to what I was saying since it's the same end type appliance.
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@Dashrender said:
So assuming that StarWinds has to be installed after the hypervisor, now we're allowing the vendor to install that as well.
Correct. I would, in a case like this, get a bundle from xByte with the servers, the specs, the Starwinds licensing, etc. but make sure that I do the setup myself so that I know what is going on and that I can recreate it.
