Building a Server for Home Lab
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@quicky2g said:
@anonymous said:
I have been thinking about this board:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaf2a88xmd3h
- Micro ATX
- Supports up to 64GB of RAM.
- Has RAID (I don't intent to use it)
- OnBoard Ethernet 1 x 10/100/1000 Mbps
- ONBOARD USB 3.0 HEADER(S)
- 8 SATA 6 GB/S Connectors
Why build a server without RAID?
Software RAID and XenServer work very nicely together.
That's not without RAID, though. that's still with RAID.
I always assume when someone says without RAID they mean without hardware RAID. I think that was the correct assumption in this case.
that's a really weird way to say that you want RAID.
Do you want dinner?
No
Hey, where is my food?
You said you didn't want dinner!
I meant... I didn't want a salad.
huh?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@quicky2g said:
@coliver said:
@quicky2g said:
@anonymous said:
I have been thinking about this board:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaf2a88xmd3h
- Micro ATX
- Supports up to 64GB of RAM.
- Has RAID (I don't intent to use it)
- OnBoard Ethernet 1 x 10/100/1000 Mbps
- ONBOARD USB 3.0 HEADER(S)
- 8 SATA 6 GB/S Connectors
Why build a server without RAID?
Software RAID and XenServer work very nicely together.
Ahhhh gotcha software versus hardware. I use software RAID at home too. Misread the comment.
Btw if you can handle the noise, a coworker of mine keeps saying there are tons of great deals on eBay for IBM servers...2x quad core CPU, dual PSU, SAS drives, RAID card (sometimes), 16GB+ of DDR3 for under $500 in a rackmount case.
That's because.... IBM servers.
Not that I'll be buying them any more - now that Lenovo owns everything - but overall I've loved all of the IBM servers I've worked on and deployed over the years. Granted it's nothing like Scott has.
They are fine, i just don't like them as much as the alternatives and now that they are gone there isn't a path to anything and little reason to use them in a lab as IBM experience isn't valuable anymore like it use to be.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@quicky2g said:
@anonymous said:
I have been thinking about this board:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaf2a88xmd3h
- Micro ATX
- Supports up to 64GB of RAM.
- Has RAID (I don't intent to use it)
- OnBoard Ethernet 1 x 10/100/1000 Mbps
- ONBOARD USB 3.0 HEADER(S)
- 8 SATA 6 GB/S Connectors
Why build a server without RAID?
Software RAID and XenServer work very nicely together.
That's not without RAID, though. that's still with RAID.
I always assume when someone says without RAID they mean without hardware RAID. I think that was the correct assumption in this case.
that's a really weird way to say that you want RAID.
Do you want dinner?
No
Hey, where is my food?
You said you didn't want dinner!
I meant... I didn't want a salad.
huh?
No argument that it is weird... but it seems to hold out on most topics about RAID.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@quicky2g said:
@anonymous said:
I have been thinking about this board:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaf2a88xmd3h
- Micro ATX
- Supports up to 64GB of RAM.
- Has RAID (I don't intent to use it)
- OnBoard Ethernet 1 x 10/100/1000 Mbps
- ONBOARD USB 3.0 HEADER(S)
- 8 SATA 6 GB/S Connectors
Why build a server without RAID?
Software RAID and XenServer work very nicely together.
That's not without RAID, though. that's still with RAID.
I always assume when someone says without RAID they mean without hardware RAID. I think that was the correct assumption in this case.
that's a really weird way to say that you want RAID.
Do you want dinner?
No
Hey, where is my food?
You said you didn't want dinner!
I meant... I didn't want a salad.
huh?
I was thinking the same - if I see no mention of RAID, or a specific request for no RAID card, I'm pretty much assuming there is no RAID. I would never assume they are using software RAID - it's just no that common in the SMB world.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@quicky2g said:
@coliver said:
@quicky2g said:
@anonymous said:
I have been thinking about this board:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaf2a88xmd3h
- Micro ATX
- Supports up to 64GB of RAM.
- Has RAID (I don't intent to use it)
- OnBoard Ethernet 1 x 10/100/1000 Mbps
- ONBOARD USB 3.0 HEADER(S)
- 8 SATA 6 GB/S Connectors
Why build a server without RAID?
Software RAID and XenServer work very nicely together.
Ahhhh gotcha software versus hardware. I use software RAID at home too. Misread the comment.
Btw if you can handle the noise, a coworker of mine keeps saying there are tons of great deals on eBay for IBM servers...2x quad core CPU, dual PSU, SAS drives, RAID card (sometimes), 16GB+ of DDR3 for under $500 in a rackmount case.
That's because.... IBM servers.
Not that I'll be buying them any more - now that Lenovo owns everything - but overall I've loved all of the IBM servers I've worked on and deployed over the years. Granted it's nothing like Scott has.
They are fine, i just don't like them as much as the alternatives and now that they are gone there isn't a path to anything and little reason to use them in a lab as IBM experience isn't valuable anymore like it use to be.
Very true. That's why my last purchase was an HP
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@quicky2g said:
@anonymous said:
I have been thinking about this board:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaf2a88xmd3h
- Micro ATX
- Supports up to 64GB of RAM.
- Has RAID (I don't intent to use it)
- OnBoard Ethernet 1 x 10/100/1000 Mbps
- ONBOARD USB 3.0 HEADER(S)
- 8 SATA 6 GB/S Connectors
Why build a server without RAID?
Software RAID and XenServer work very nicely together.
That's not without RAID, though. that's still with RAID.
I always assume when someone says without RAID they mean without hardware RAID. I think that was the correct assumption in this case.
that's a really weird way to say that you want RAID.
Do you want dinner?
No
Hey, where is my food?
You said you didn't want dinner!
I meant... I didn't want a salad.
huh?
I was thinking the same - if I see no mention of RAID, or a specific request for no RAID card, I'm pretty much assuming there is no RAID. I would never assume they are using software RAID - it's just no that common in the SMB world.
And yet it is common enough that anyone mentioning building their own storage is almost assumed to be choosing ZFS specifically to do software RAID. To the extent that nearly every discussion in SW comes down to a complete assumption that you would disable hardware RAID and run software RAID instead.
In some regards, it is completely ignored in the SMB. And in certain groups in the SMB it is so common as to be blanket assumed.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@quicky2g said:
@anonymous said:
I have been thinking about this board:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaf2a88xmd3h
- Micro ATX
- Supports up to 64GB of RAM.
- Has RAID (I don't intent to use it)
- OnBoard Ethernet 1 x 10/100/1000 Mbps
- ONBOARD USB 3.0 HEADER(S)
- 8 SATA 6 GB/S Connectors
Why build a server without RAID?
Software RAID and XenServer work very nicely together.
That's not without RAID, though. that's still with RAID.
I always assume when someone says without RAID they mean without hardware RAID. I think that was the correct assumption in this case.
that's a really weird way to say that you want RAID.
Do you want dinner?
No
Hey, where is my food?
You said you didn't want dinner!
I meant... I didn't want a salad.
huh?
I was thinking the same - if I see no mention of RAID, or a specific request for no RAID card, I'm pretty much assuming there is no RAID. I would never assume they are using software RAID - it's just no that common in the SMB world.
And yet it is common enough that anyone mentioning building their own storage is almost assumed to be choosing ZFS specifically to do software RAID. To the extent that nearly every discussion in SW comes down to a complete assumption that you would disable hardware RAID and run software RAID instead.
In some regards, it is completely ignored in the SMB. And in certain groups in the SMB it is so common as to be blanket assumed.
Who uses ZFS? Is that really that common?
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@quicky2g said:
@anonymous said:
I have been thinking about this board:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaf2a88xmd3h
- Micro ATX
- Supports up to 64GB of RAM.
- Has RAID (I don't intent to use it)
- OnBoard Ethernet 1 x 10/100/1000 Mbps
- ONBOARD USB 3.0 HEADER(S)
- 8 SATA 6 GB/S Connectors
Why build a server without RAID?
Software RAID and XenServer work very nicely together.
That's not without RAID, though. that's still with RAID.
I always assume when someone says without RAID they mean without hardware RAID. I think that was the correct assumption in this case.
that's a really weird way to say that you want RAID.
Do you want dinner?
No
Hey, where is my food?
You said you didn't want dinner!
I meant... I didn't want a salad.
huh?
I was thinking the same - if I see no mention of RAID, or a specific request for no RAID card, I'm pretty much assuming there is no RAID. I would never assume they are using software RAID - it's just no that common in the SMB world.
And yet it is common enough that anyone mentioning building their own storage is almost assumed to be choosing ZFS specifically to do software RAID. To the extent that nearly every discussion in SW comes down to a complete assumption that you would disable hardware RAID and run software RAID instead.
In some regards, it is completely ignored in the SMB. And in certain groups in the SMB it is so common as to be blanket assumed.
Who uses ZFS? Is that really that common?
Was it the creator of ZFS that murdered someone or is that another Linux technology? Can't remember.
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@quicky2g said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@quicky2g said:
@anonymous said:
I have been thinking about this board:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaf2a88xmd3h
- Micro ATX
- Supports up to 64GB of RAM.
- Has RAID (I don't intent to use it)
- OnBoard Ethernet 1 x 10/100/1000 Mbps
- ONBOARD USB 3.0 HEADER(S)
- 8 SATA 6 GB/S Connectors
Why build a server without RAID?
Software RAID and XenServer work very nicely together.
That's not without RAID, though. that's still with RAID.
I always assume when someone says without RAID they mean without hardware RAID. I think that was the correct assumption in this case.
that's a really weird way to say that you want RAID.
Do you want dinner?
No
Hey, where is my food?
You said you didn't want dinner!
I meant... I didn't want a salad.
huh?
I was thinking the same - if I see no mention of RAID, or a specific request for no RAID card, I'm pretty much assuming there is no RAID. I would never assume they are using software RAID - it's just no that common in the SMB world.
And yet it is common enough that anyone mentioning building their own storage is almost assumed to be choosing ZFS specifically to do software RAID. To the extent that nearly every discussion in SW comes down to a complete assumption that you would disable hardware RAID and run software RAID instead.
In some regards, it is completely ignored in the SMB. And in certain groups in the SMB it is so common as to be blanket assumed.
Who uses ZFS? Is that really that common?
Was it the creator of ZFS that murdered someone or is that another Linux technology? Can't remember.
Wasn't that Mcafee?
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@quicky2g said:
@anonymous said:
I have been thinking about this board:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaf2a88xmd3h
- Micro ATX
- Supports up to 64GB of RAM.
- Has RAID (I don't intent to use it)
- OnBoard Ethernet 1 x 10/100/1000 Mbps
- ONBOARD USB 3.0 HEADER(S)
- 8 SATA 6 GB/S Connectors
Why build a server without RAID?
Software RAID and XenServer work very nicely together.
That's not without RAID, though. that's still with RAID.
I always assume when someone says without RAID they mean without hardware RAID. I think that was the correct assumption in this case.
that's a really weird way to say that you want RAID.
Do you want dinner?
No
Hey, where is my food?
You said you didn't want dinner!
I meant... I didn't want a salad.
huh?
I was thinking the same - if I see no mention of RAID, or a specific request for no RAID card, I'm pretty much assuming there is no RAID. I would never assume they are using software RAID - it's just no that common in the SMB world.
And yet it is common enough that anyone mentioning building their own storage is almost assumed to be choosing ZFS specifically to do software RAID. To the extent that nearly every discussion in SW comes down to a complete assumption that you would disable hardware RAID and run software RAID instead.
In some regards, it is completely ignored in the SMB. And in certain groups in the SMB it is so common as to be blanket assumed.
Who uses ZFS? Is that really that common?
So common that we call it the "Cult of ZFS". In the SW world, it is so common as to literally be a cult like problem. People think that any and all storage has to be ZFS and that it must always be for the sole purpose of doing software RAID 5 on it. It's the perfect storm of bad storage decisions.
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@coliver said:
@quicky2g said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@quicky2g said:
@anonymous said:
I have been thinking about this board:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaf2a88xmd3h
- Micro ATX
- Supports up to 64GB of RAM.
- Has RAID (I don't intent to use it)
- OnBoard Ethernet 1 x 10/100/1000 Mbps
- ONBOARD USB 3.0 HEADER(S)
- 8 SATA 6 GB/S Connectors
Why build a server without RAID?
Software RAID and XenServer work very nicely together.
That's not without RAID, though. that's still with RAID.
I always assume when someone says without RAID they mean without hardware RAID. I think that was the correct assumption in this case.
that's a really weird way to say that you want RAID.
Do you want dinner?
No
Hey, where is my food?
You said you didn't want dinner!
I meant... I didn't want a salad.
huh?
I was thinking the same - if I see no mention of RAID, or a specific request for no RAID card, I'm pretty much assuming there is no RAID. I would never assume they are using software RAID - it's just no that common in the SMB world.
And yet it is common enough that anyone mentioning building their own storage is almost assumed to be choosing ZFS specifically to do software RAID. To the extent that nearly every discussion in SW comes down to a complete assumption that you would disable hardware RAID and run software RAID instead.
In some regards, it is completely ignored in the SMB. And in certain groups in the SMB it is so common as to be blanket assumed.
Who uses ZFS? Is that really that common?
Was it the creator of ZFS that murdered someone or is that another Linux technology? Can't remember.
Wasn't that Mcafee?
I was thinking of ReiserFS.
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@quicky2g said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@quicky2g said:
@anonymous said:
I have been thinking about this board:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaf2a88xmd3h
- Micro ATX
- Supports up to 64GB of RAM.
- Has RAID (I don't intent to use it)
- OnBoard Ethernet 1 x 10/100/1000 Mbps
- ONBOARD USB 3.0 HEADER(S)
- 8 SATA 6 GB/S Connectors
Why build a server without RAID?
Software RAID and XenServer work very nicely together.
That's not without RAID, though. that's still with RAID.
I always assume when someone says without RAID they mean without hardware RAID. I think that was the correct assumption in this case.
that's a really weird way to say that you want RAID.
Do you want dinner?
No
Hey, where is my food?
You said you didn't want dinner!
I meant... I didn't want a salad.
huh?
I was thinking the same - if I see no mention of RAID, or a specific request for no RAID card, I'm pretty much assuming there is no RAID. I would never assume they are using software RAID - it's just no that common in the SMB world.
And yet it is common enough that anyone mentioning building their own storage is almost assumed to be choosing ZFS specifically to do software RAID. To the extent that nearly every discussion in SW comes down to a complete assumption that you would disable hardware RAID and run software RAID instead.
In some regards, it is completely ignored in the SMB. And in certain groups in the SMB it is so common as to be blanket assumed.
Who uses ZFS? Is that really that common?
Was it the creator of ZFS that murdered someone or is that another Linux technology? Can't remember.
Um... no. I know the creator personally. He is fine. You are thinking of Reiser.
ZFS is not a Linux technology at all.
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@quicky2g said:
@coliver said:
@quicky2g said:
@anonymous said:
I have been thinking about this board:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaf2a88xmd3h
- Micro ATX
- Supports up to 64GB of RAM.
- Has RAID (I don't intent to use it)
- OnBoard Ethernet 1 x 10/100/1000 Mbps
- ONBOARD USB 3.0 HEADER(S)
- 8 SATA 6 GB/S Connectors
Why build a server without RAID?
Software RAID and XenServer work very nicely together.
Ahhhh gotcha software versus hardware. I use software RAID at home too. Misread the comment.
Btw if you can handle the noise, a coworker of mine keeps saying there are tons of great deals on eBay for IBM servers...2x quad core CPU, dual PSU, SAS drives, RAID card (sometimes), 16GB+ of DDR3 for under $500 in a rackmount case.
I got a DL380 G6 for around $200. It's not very loud at all, even when it ramps up.
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That's surprising. Every Proliant we've ever had, including DL380s, has been staggeringly loud.
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@scottalanmiller said:
That's surprising. Every Proliant we've ever had, including DL380s, has been staggeringly loud.
~That's because whoever sold him the server took half the fans....
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@scottalanmiller said:
That's surprising. Every Proliant we've ever had, including DL380s, has been staggeringly loud.
The DL380 G5 I got a few months ago is loud, but this one is fairly quiet, at least compared to the G5.
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@DustinB3403 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
That's surprising. Every Proliant we've ever had, including DL380s, has been staggeringly loud.
~That's because whoever sold him the server took half the fans....
Ha I double checked
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@johnhooks said:
@DustinB3403 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
That's surprising. Every Proliant we've ever had, including DL380s, has been staggeringly loud.
~That's because whoever sold him the server took half the fans....
Ha I double checked
And.... they really did steal them?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@johnhooks said:
@DustinB3403 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
That's surprising. Every Proliant we've ever had, including DL380s, has been staggeringly loud.
~That's because whoever sold him the server took half the fans....
Ha I double checked
And.... they really did steal them?
Oh no, haha they're all there.
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@johnhooks said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@johnhooks said:
@DustinB3403 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
That's surprising. Every Proliant we've ever had, including DL380s, has been staggeringly loud.
~That's because whoever sold him the server took half the fans....
Ha I double checked
And.... they really did steal them?
Oh no, haha they're all there.
Maybe they're clogged with dust and don't spin anymore.
