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    How Do I Find the Best Local Colo for Me?

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    • art_of_shredA
      art_of_shred Banned @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said:

      Why look local? There are reasons for doing this but often people jump to local without really thinking through the business reasoning.

      We've colo'd for a long time and only ever used semi-local. We use Toronto and are based in NY. We get better speeds, prices and services in Toronto than we can get in most, if not all of, NY. It's worth not just not being local but being in another country, the difference is so big! And we even have to pay customs to have servers there too!!

      LA might easily have good offerings for you, but I would evaluate carefully if "local" adds value, loses value (like for DR) or is irrelevant. Typically it is irrelevant and should just be ignored as a factor. If you are doing things that involve you physically going to the colo facility, you aren't doing it right 😉

      To be clear, Toronto is only 2.5 hours away, so yeah it's in another country, etc., but it's not that far away in reality.

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403 @art_of_shred
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        @art_of_shred said:

        To be clear, Toronto is only 2.5 hours away, so yeah it's in another country, etc., but it's not that far away in reality.

        Until you get to customs..... HAHA

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        • FATeknollogeeF
          FATeknollogee @art_of_shred
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          @art_of_shred said:

          To be clear, Toronto is only 2.5 hours away, so yeah it's in another country, etc., but it's not that far away in reality.

          For us on the West coast, Toronto is in another galaxy..😃

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @FATeknollogee
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            @FATeknollogee said:

            @art_of_shred said:

            To be clear, Toronto is only 2.5 hours away, so yeah it's in another country, etc., but it's not that far away in reality.

            For us on the West coast, Toronto is in another galaxy..😃

            The point wasn't for you to use Toronto, but to consider other options.

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            • FATeknollogeeF
              FATeknollogee @Dashrender
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              @Dashrender said:

              The point wasn't for you to use Toronto, but to consider other options.

              I realize that, hence my use of the "smiley"

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                @FATeknollogee said:

                I'm in the same area as @wrx7m

                2 questions:

                1. What if you want the local co-lo as a "hot" site
                2. For those that have co-lo in other geographical area's, do you own the gear or lease from the colo provider

                Check out Colocation America, I've not used them but they have a lot of offerings.

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                • RojoLocoR
                  RojoLoco
                  last edited by

                  If they have a datacenter in the location you choose, QTS has been amazing for us. Highly recommended, top quality company, great facilities and service.

                  http://www.qtsdatacenters.com/data-centers

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                    Jason Banned @FATeknollogee
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                    @FATeknollogee said:

                    1. For those that have co-lo in other geographical area's, do you own the gear or lease from the colo provider

                    We own everything. I think the Palo Alto's might have been a Lease to own program though (through palo alto, not the Colo).

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                    • art_of_shredA
                      art_of_shred Banned @Jason
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                      @FATeknollogee said:

                      I'm in the same area as @wrx7m

                      2 questions:

                      1. What if you want the local co-lo as a "hot" site
                      2. For those that have co-lo in other geographical area's, do you own the gear or lease from the colo provider
                      1. In the case of NTG, we own our own gear and just rent space at the DC. Very rarely do you have a case when you actually need to put hands on the physical equipment.
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                      • J
                        Jason Banned @art_of_shred
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                        @art_of_shred said:

                        @FATeknollogee said:

                        I'm in the same area as @wrx7m

                        2 questions:

                        1. What if you want the local co-lo as a "hot" site
                        2. For those that have co-lo in other geographical area's, do you own the gear or lease from the colo provider
                        1. In the case of NTG, we own our own gear and just rent space at the DC. Very rarely do you have a case when you actually need to put hands on the physical equipment.

                        We have out of band management plus dial modems on routers (protected) to console in if needed.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                          @FATeknollogee said:

                          1. For those that have co-lo in other geographical area's, do you own the gear or lease from the colo provider

                          We don't normally call it colo if you lease the gear. Rackspace does that kind of thing, rarely makes sense. When going colo, 90% of the time at least you want to own all of the gear. If you aren't going to own the gear, then you almost certainly should be looking at cloud computing instead.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Jason
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                            @Jason said:

                            @art_of_shred said:

                            @FATeknollogee said:

                            I'm in the same area as @wrx7m

                            2 questions:

                            1. What if you want the local co-lo as a "hot" site
                            2. For those that have co-lo in other geographical area's, do you own the gear or lease from the colo provider
                            1. In the case of NTG, we own our own gear and just rent space at the DC. Very rarely do you have a case when you actually need to put hands on the physical equipment.

                            We have out of band management plus dial modems on routers (protected) to console in if needed.

                            Same here. ILO, DRAC, IPMI, etc.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                              @FATeknollogee said:

                              1. What if you want the local co-lo as a "hot" site

                              Then you don't want it around the world as latency comes into play, but normally you would at least want it in another city if not state. For you, Fremont might make sense, or Vegas, for example. Far, but not crazy far.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller
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                                If you are doing colo for your primary workload (live production) then you typically want it close-ish to you. Close enough to get latency as low as reasonable. But local isn't important at all unless you are talking Wall St. trading systems. You could be a few states away. If you are American, this normally means "your side of the Mississippi" with places like Texas, Chicago, Iowi and Missouri being good enough for either coast, which is why they are popular datacenter locations.

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                                • FATeknollogeeF
                                  FATeknollogee @RojoLoco
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                                  @RojoLoco said:

                                  If they have a datacenter in the location you choose, QTS has been amazing for us. Highly recommended, top quality company, great facilities and service.

                                  http://www.qtsdatacenters.com/data-centers

                                  What size "space" are you leasing & what's the cost?

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                                  • RojoLocoR
                                    RojoLoco @FATeknollogee
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                                    @FATeknollogee we have an 8x8 cage, not sure about the rate. They rent everything from 1U rack space to multiple cages. They lease internet connectivity (carrier agnostic) by 1mbps increments. We get 1gbps up/down. They have extensive power/cooling redundancy, dry fire suppression, all the bells and whistles.

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                                    • wrx7mW
                                      wrx7m
                                      last edited by wrx7m

                                      I guess I was thinking more of a power/climate and fire/flood perspective for up time. I don't like to travel or drive outside of my local area (LA traffic is the worst). But I may just look at offloading some things to VPC and more into Veeam Cloudconnect.

                                      Does anyone know anything about ISWest? http://isle.net/colocation/

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                                      • FATeknollogeeF
                                        FATeknollogee @wrx7m
                                        last edited by

                                        @wrx7m said:

                                        I guess I was thinking more of a power/climate and fire/flood perspective for up time. I don't like to travel or drive outside of my local area (LA traffic is the worst). But I may just look at offloading some things to VPC and more into Veeam Cloudconnect.

                                        Does anyone know anything about ISWest? http://isle.net/colocation/

                                        I looked at ISWest.
                                        Base monthly co-lo fees are low, but they charge for bandwidth & they have some insurance requirements.

                                        I can always send you the proposal I have.

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                                        • wrx7mW
                                          wrx7m @FATeknollogee
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                                          @FATeknollogee Thanks! I would appreciate that. Where else have you been looking?

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                                          • FATeknollogeeF
                                            FATeknollogee @wrx7m
                                            last edited by

                                            @wrx7m So far, mainly in downtown LA.
                                            I've visited http://www.quadranet.com
                                            I'm leaning toward this Tier 4 datacenter https://www.psychz.net/colocation.html

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