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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @IT-ADMIN
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      @IT-ADMIN said:

      @Dashrender said:

      you can't connect your old drives and expect them to work as they did before. The RAID controller is what knows how to make the drives work with each other to get your data off, depending on what RAID level you were using.

      i'm planning to format it, i mean install a fresh windows server

      And then what? run the system with all of those drives acting independently? that would be crazy!

      Can you do it? If the server has onboard SAS/SATA controllers, sure you can - but you shouldn't. If are are going to do that, you should just get a PC and use that instead. It will be less power hungry and you can buy cheep huge drives.

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      • IT-ADMINI
        IT-ADMIN
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        but a normal PC cannot be powered 24/24 hour, and this server had only 2 HD, (RAID 1 mirroring)

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @IT-ADMIN
          last edited by

          @IT-ADMIN said:

          but a normal PC cannot be powered 24/24 hour, and this server had only 2 HD, (RAID 1 mirroring)

          It can't? why not? I never turn my computer off unless it has a problem.

          oh, your server only had 2 drives, in RAID 1. Then assuming your RAID didn't do anything funny, you should be able to plug one of them into the motherboard and boot from it. Thought Windows still probably won't boot correctly because of a driver issue, but you could get lucky.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
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            @IT-ADMIN said:

            ok Dear Scott thank you very much
            my question is : can i connect the motherboard with a single HD and boot from it without using the RAID Card ??

            Of course. A server is just a PC like any other. PCs booting from RAID is the same as booting from a disk. It's all the same to the mobo.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
              last edited by

              @IT-ADMIN said:

              but a normal PC cannot be powered 24/24 hour, and this server had only 2 HD, (RAID 1 mirroring)

              I don't understand any of this statement. Why not and what's wrong with the mirroring?

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                last edited by

                @Dashrender said:

                @IT-ADMIN said:

                but a normal PC cannot be powered 24/24 hour, and this server had only 2 HD, (RAID 1 mirroring)

                It can't? why not? I never turn my computer off unless it has a problem.

                oh, your server only had 2 drives, in RAID 1. Then assuming your RAID didn't do anything funny, you should be able to plug one of them into the motherboard and boot from it. Thought Windows still probably won't boot correctly because of a driver issue, but you could get lucky.

                He is going to format. But RAID is RAID, the drives are encapsulated. It won't boot.

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                • BRRABillB
                  BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  He is going to format. But RAID is RAID, the drives are encapsulated. It won't boot.

                  I've been able to boot to one member of a RAID1 array.

                  It was on an Intel RAID card in a desktop, though. Not a PERC controller.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                    @BRRABill said:

                    @scottalanmiller said:

                    He is going to format. But RAID is RAID, the drives are encapsulated. It won't boot.

                    I've been able to boot to one member of a RAID1 array.

                    It was on an Intel RAID card in a desktop, though. Not a PERC controller.

                    That's not even hardware RAID, that's FakeRAID. So not related to the situation at hand.

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                    • BRRABillB
                      BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      That's not even hardware RAID, that's FakeRAID. So not related to the situation at hand.

                      How is a card in the machine not real RAID?

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @BRRABill
                        last edited by

                        @BRRABill said:

                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        That's not even hardware RAID, that's FakeRAID. So not related to the situation at hand.

                        How is a card in the machine not real RAID?

                        FakeRAID is real RAID, it is fake that it is not actual hardware. And FakeRAID is fake because it pretends to be hardware when it isn't. It is specifically because they went through the effort to trick you that makes it FakeRAID.

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                        • BRRABillB
                          BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          @BRRABill said:

                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          That's not even hardware RAID, that's FakeRAID. So not related to the situation at hand.

                          How is a card in the machine not real RAID?

                          FakeRAID is real RAID, it is fake that it is not actual hardware. And FakeRAID is fake because it pretends to be hardware when it isn't. It is specifically because they went through the effort to trick you that makes it FakeRAID.

                          So .. the hardware card isn't doing real hardware RAID?

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @BRRABill
                            last edited by

                            @BRRABill said:

                            So .. the hardware card isn't doing real hardware RAID?

                            Correct, it is FakeRAID. The card exists for no purpose but to trick you into paying for nothing. It's literally just really bad software RAID. Better to use the OS' software RAID which is faster, more reliable and more flexible and isn't sold to you on a con.

                            Intel is famous for this and a leading reason why I would never be caught dead buying Intel servers or storage - they treat their customers like enemies actively scamming them.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller
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                              Intel is far from the only FakeRAID vendor, nearly every motherboard maker offers consumer FakeRAID. Intel is just the most aggressive with actually making fake cards and trying to sell into the business market.

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                              • BRRABillB
                                BRRABill
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                                You have a writeup on this?

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @BRRABill
                                  last edited by

                                  @BRRABill said:

                                  You have a writeup on this?

                                  Already linked it.

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                                  • BRRABillB
                                    BRRABill @scottalanmiller
                                    last edited by

                                    @scottalanmiller said:

                                    @BRRABill said:

                                    You have a writeup on this?

                                    Already linked it.

                                    Hidden-ish.

                                    It was like a puzzle finding it. Fun, thanks! LOL.

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                                    • BRRABillB
                                      BRRABill
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                                      @scottalanmiller

                                      But if the "software raid" of the card can detect drive failures and stuff ... isn't that better than the OS RAID, say, of Windows?

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                                        @BRRABill said:

                                        @scottalanmiller

                                        But if the "software raid" of the card can detect drive failures and stuff ... isn't that better than the OS RAID, say, of Windows?

                                        Why would that make it better? Just because it can do "as much" doesn't make it better. It has caveats, but what upsides?

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                                        • IT-ADMINI
                                          IT-ADMIN
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                                          Ok thank you guys, i will turn my server into a normal PC, but this PC will be powerful

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                                          so there is a difference btw normal PC and a server turned into PC

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                                          • DashrenderD
                                            Dashrender
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                                            Not really any difference.

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