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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
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      RAID 6 induces even more immediate wear and tear so is even more likely to kill off a second drive at the time of drive replacement PLUS has one extra drive to have fail but can withstand losing one additional drive so is dramatically safer overall.

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      • BRRABillB
        BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said:

        @BRRABill SSDs do suffer from mechanically induced failed like Winchester drives.

        Is the rate the same? Or is this a random (but common) thing?

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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          @BRRABill said:

          @scottalanmiller said:

          @BRRABill SSDs do suffer from mechanically induced failed like Winchester drives.

          Is the rate the same? Or is this a random (but common) thing?

          Sorry that was a typo. SSDs do NOT suffer mechanically induced failure.

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          • BRRABillB
            BRRABill
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            Oh. Phew.

            What is the point of RAID if that happens?

            That's it. I'm quitting IT.

            I've had enough.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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              @BRRABill not much point to RAID 5, that's what we've been saying for years. By 2009 it was so dangerous that it was actually worse in most cases than doing nothing at all.

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              • BRRABillB
                BRRABill
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                Well this server is from well before 2009.

                It's a miracle nothing has happened yet.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
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                  That is indeed pretty old.

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                  • BRRABillB
                    BRRABill
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                    I'm not going to say exactly HOW old because I've not sure I can take any more heads shaking at me this month. LOL.

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                    • drewlanderD
                      drewlander
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                      @BRRABill said:

                      0 anxiety scale because that kind of stuff always makes me nervous. Anyway, no problem, I have spare drives on the shelf ready to go. I pull out the

                      In complete honesty I will admit that one time I was cold swapping a failed drive in a proliant dl360G5 and replaced the wrong one. Fortunately the server wouldnt even boot and I was able to power it down, sort it out and bring it back up. Since then I will never run a server without the backplane kit and hot swappable drive caddies with the status indicator LED.

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                      • drewlanderD
                        drewlander @BRRABill
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                        @BRRABill Sounds like a situation I had to deal with last year where an organization was running Dell PowerEdge 2950 Gen II pizza boxes. I tried reasoning with them explaining that 9 year old servers should not be production machines for mission critical systems. They didn't seem to care about business continuity until they started failing.

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                        • BRRABillB
                          BRRABill @drewlander
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                          @drewlander said:

                          @BRRABill Sounds like a situation I had to deal with last year where an organization was running Dell PowerEdge 2950 Gen II pizza boxes. I tried reasoning with them explaining that 9 year old servers should not be production machines for mission critical systems. They didn't seem to care about business continuity until they started failing.

                          This was a PowerEdge 2800. I've been kind of proud of the fact that I kept these things up and running for so long. And considering the low RAM and age, they still run awesome.

                          BUT ... like I said it's a miracle that things haven't gone south quicker. The second drive that failed was a replacement drive, which of course was not new.

                          Key point, as in anything, is to always have a good backup. 🙂

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                          • scottalanmillerS
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                            We once had a set of Compaq Proliant 800s that made it a decade without failing. They were all retired effectively still healthy - just old and worthless.

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                            • BRRABillB
                              BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              We once had a set of Compaq Proliant 800s that made it a decade without failing. They were all retired effectively still healthy - just old and worthless.

                              That's about where we are. I've hung lucky mementos in there, and am hoping for the best. 🙂

                              I actually have a construction paper good luck charm a vendor's wife once gave me a long time ago (before these servers even) that's actually hanging in there. It has done it's job pretty good so far.

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                              • BRRABillB
                                BRRABill
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                                True story. Right after I posted that last post, I went into the server room to take a picture of this paper good luck charm. On the way back down the hall, the building's power went out, and has been out the past 3 hours. This week is just AWESOME!

                                Anyway, here is the picture:
                                0_1447356517797_goodluckcharm.JPG

                                Note the failed DELL right below it.

                                It did its job for many years, though. No complaints.

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                                • BRRABillB
                                  BRRABill
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                                  P.S. If anyone can read that, and it DOESN'T say good luck, please don't let me know. 🙂

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                                  • Reid CooperR
                                    Reid Cooper
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                                    What the heck is that thing?

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                                    • BRRABillB
                                      BRRABill @Reid Cooper
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                                      @Reid-Cooper said:

                                      What the heck is that thing?

                                      Which thing?

                                      The paper thing?

                                      Way back in the day when I used to assemble computers, the wife of the guy whose shop I went to made that for me and said it was a good luck charm. I hung it in our server room, and it's been with the servers ever since.

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                                        Jason Banned @BRRABill
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                                        @BRRABill said:

                                        Anyway, here is the picture:
                                        0_1447356517797_goodluckcharm.JPG

                                        I see an orange alert light on the dell.

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                                          Jason Banned @BRRABill
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                                          @BRRABill said:

                                          P.S. If anyone can read that, and it DOESN'T say good luck, please don't let me know. 🙂

                                          @JaredBusch might know.

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                                          • BRRABillB
                                            BRRABill
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                                            @Jason

                                            Yeah that's the server I have that the RAID 5 array died on me Tuesday.

                                            Ironic.

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