Should I take the same money to go back to the same job?
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@Joy said:
P.S. I learned that the other IT guy there already left and i figured it out that's the reason why they asked me last month.
This means that they are desperate. Above and beyond other factors listed above, you are in the position of being in control. They are desperate and need someone, you have a job that you felt was superior to that one when you did not know how it was. Now they need to pay a premium to get you because they need someone and you can demand a premium because you don't need a job.
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@Reid-Cooper said:
So you left the old job, right? Why would you consider returning?
I was thinking because
1.) The old job is located in the Province.
2.) The cost of living is cheap, no traffic just walking distance.
3.) Friends are there, almost everyone including the owner of the company.
4.) Near in the mountain where i can run everydayThat's the reason i can think so far, I'm not sure if they make sense to you guys
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so, some positives there for going back - BUT
they are in trouble. your replacement has left - sounds like in abrupt circumstances.
you know the environment, can step right back into the pilots chair and put out the (many) fires
um, that means a PAYRISE. at least 10%. because the alternative for the company is getting someone else in (takes time), and getting them up to speed (takes more time)
time is money in business. get the payrise, then by all means go back. but not at the same rate, different circumstances -
@Joy said:
@Reid-Cooper said:
So you left the old job, right? Why would you consider returning?
I was thinking because
1.) The old job is located in the Province.
2.) The cost of living is cheap, no traffic just walking distance.
3.) Friends are there, almost everyone including the owner of the company.
4.) Near in the mountain where i can run everydayThat's the reason i can think so far, I'm not sure if they make sense to you guys
But all of these factors existed before and you did not feel that it was worth working there, right?
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@brendan-pitstop-nz said:
so, some positives there for going back - BUT
they are in trouble. your replacement has left - sounds like in abrupt circumstances.
you know the environment, can step right back into the pilots chair and put out the (many) fires
um, that means a PAYRISE. at least 10%. because the alternative for the company is getting someone else in (takes time), and getting them up to speed (takes more time)
time is money in business. get the payrise, then by all means go back. but not at the same rate, different circumstancesI agree, going back for the "same money" is actually you taking a step back in your career and status. You will be getting the same money even though you are worth more. That's a cut, in reality.
You need 10% more minimum. Maybe a lot more than that.
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@Reid-Cooper said:
@Joy said:
@Reid-Cooper said:
So you left the old job, right? Why would you consider returning?
I was thinking because
1.) The old job is located in the Province.
2.) The cost of living is cheap, no traffic just walking distance.
3.) Friends are there, almost everyone including the owner of the company.
4.) Near in the mountain where i can run everydayThat's the reason i can think so far, I'm not sure if they make sense to you guys
But all of these factors existed before and you did not feel that it was worth working there, right?
Exactly yes
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@brendan-pitstop-nz said:
so, some positives there for going back - BUT
they are in trouble. your replacement has left - sounds like in abrupt circumstances.
you know the environment, can step right back into the pilots chair and put out the (many) fires
um, that means a PAYRISE. at least 10%. because the alternative for the company is getting someone else in (takes time), and getting them up to speed (takes more time)
time is money in business. get the payrise, then by all means go back. but not at the same rate, different circumstancesYes it takes time, I trained them since 2013 ( the IT guy who left) to get familiar with everything. I am the first IT in that company. Before i left the IT department is well organize, with documentation and with Standard procedure.I helped them to passed the ISO standard.
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Have you decided if you are going to go back with the old company yet?
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@dafyre said:
Have you decided if you are going to go back with the old company yet?
Not yet, I'm not sure.
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I'm a little confused. Are they offering you the same money you make today to go back there? Or are they offering you your old pay to go back there?
If they are offering you the old pay, what's the difference between the old pay and the new pay? And what expenses do you have now that you would not have if you moved back?
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If you enjoy your current job and have some room to grow... I would wonder why you were considering going back?
How far away is it from where you live now?
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@Joy said:
Not yet, I'm not sure.
You never answered the one major point.... you did not feel that the old job was worth the old compensation before, why would you consider it now when it is literally less in absolute terms (inflation) and a lot less in relative terms (compensation for your value?)
If you go back, you would be accepting that you feel that you are less to them, not the same. You'd be on a slope downwards both in your career in general but to that company individually. Their offer is insulting and shows that they do not respect you.
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@Dashrender said:
And what expenses do you have now that you would not have if you moved back?
This part while relevant to personal finances should not even be considered when looking at the job offer for the same money as one had before.
As Scott stated, you would be moving backwards career wise and will never be able to get ahead at this new old company.
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@Dashrender said:
I'm a little confused. Are they offering you the same money you make today to go back there? Or are they offering you your old pay to go back there?
If they are offering you the old pay, what's the difference between the old pay and the new pay? And what expenses do you have now that you would not have if you moved back?
There's a big difference with my old pay and new pay.
The old pay-basically above minimum wage of the City with conditional-Like if you have lates or memo you can't get your whole Salary-Allowance. Low tax. Unlimited hours of overtime, no shifting because I'm the Leader, 5 days paid leave lols.
New Job- Above minimum wage, 8 hours -shifting-with HMO and 22 days leave with pay. Plus some bonuses if the economy is pretty good.Expenses is the same, I'm helping my siblings in college.
In The Province- rent of apartment is cheap, If you have 3k, you can get a nice apartment. Plus no need to commute daily. Just 3 mins walk.
In The City- Basically rent for apartment is around 5k for one room only, so I'm on bed spacing right now (shared toilet and bath,common living room and kitchen).Commute daily, Plus the traffic. -
@dafyre said:
If you enjoy your current job and have some room to grow... I would wonder why you were considering going back?
How far away is it from where you live now?
Well I'm still trying to figure out why I'm thinking to go back there.
It's 3 hours or more of commute because Traffic is worse.
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And the old company won't offer more than you were making before? Yeah I can't see making that move back.
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@Dashrender said:
And the old company won't offer more than you were making before? Yeah I can't see making that move back.
Yes, they wont
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@JaredBusch said:
As Scott stated, you would be moving backwards career wise and will never be able to get ahead at this new old company.
This part is important and may not be clear - once a company knows that you are desperate and willing to earn less year over year, they will keep pressuring you to earn less. They are taking advantage of you and will not stop doing so sometime in the future - that realistically does not happen. This is a slippery slope situation that you would only do if you were truly desperate.
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@Joy said:
@Dashrender said:
And the old company won't offer more than you were making before? Yeah I can't see making that move back.
Yes, they wont
They you should literally laugh at them and slam down the phone telling them to never disrespect you so much again.
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@Joy said:
It's 3 hours or more of commute because Traffic is worse.
3 hours one way? Or 3 hours commute time total?
Is it not possible to find an apartment any closer?
