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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said:

      @Dashrender said:

      @scottalanmiller said:

      Can you do incremental forever to tape? I don't believe so. He would need to hit the WAN. 8TB a day is pretty ridiculous to go over a WAN.

      Why would you need to send 8 TB a day via the WAN? He'd only send the changes daily via the WAN. And AppAssure supports that type of replication.

      This is why knowing the daily delta would be important.

      Didn't he say the incrementals needed 8TB today?

      No 8 TB was to perform weekly fulls at the current infrastructure size.

      Incremental changes are likely > 20 Gb/day

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403
        last edited by DustinB3403

        Which if I ignore performing weekly fulls and instead perform them monthly to tape. I'll have to start looking into LTO tech has I have zero experience with it.

        Edit: Well I should probably look into LTO tape anyways...

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403
          last edited by DustinB3403

          I think the solution really is to perform monthly fulls to local disk then to tape and take the tapes home.

          Perform incremental backups using storage craft to on-site / offsite daily and dump the old versions at 72 hours. Cycling the tapes every 72 hours (3 days)

          Would be easier to just keep it for 5 days though.... This way we have to swap less tape around...

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
            last edited by

            @DustinB3403 said:

            No 8 TB was to perform weekly fulls at the current infrastructure size.

            Wait, if a full is 8TB, where did I get 22TB from?

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
              last edited by

              @DustinB3403 said:

              Incremental changes are likely > 20 Gb/day

              Oh that's nothing. Just seed a backup device and set it remote.

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              • DustinB3403D
                DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
                last edited by

                @scottalanmiller said:

                @DustinB3403 said:

                No 8 TB was to perform weekly fulls at the current infrastructure size.

                Wait, if a full is 8TB, where did I get 22TB from?

                Full Backup retention for an entire month.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                  last edited by

                  @DustinB3403 said:

                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @DustinB3403 said:

                  No 8 TB was to perform weekly fulls at the current infrastructure size.

                  Wait, if a full is 8TB, where did I get 22TB from?

                  Full Backup retention for an entire month.

                  That would be 32TB then.

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403
                    last edited by

                    Actually it's technically a 7 day swap cycle now for what we have.

                    Might have to keep the same process if I want to reduce IT's labor on the backup process. (Weekends count to computers)

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by

                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      @DustinB3403 said:

                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      @DustinB3403 said:

                      No 8 TB was to perform weekly fulls at the current infrastructure size.

                      Wait, if a full is 8TB, where did I get 22TB from?

                      Full Backup retention for an entire month.

                      That would be 32TB then.

                      8 TB is with growth... currently he's at just over 6 TB.
                      so 24 TB for a month

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                      • DustinB3403D
                        DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
                        last edited by

                        @scottalanmiller Only if we we're fully using all 8TB.

                        We have free space on the systems now and are only using approximately 6TB of total 8TB capacity in the infrastructure.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender
                          last edited by

                          I'm really lost - why are you worrying about full backups when you have a StorageCraft backup solution?

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403 @Dashrender
                            last edited by

                            @Dashrender So if something should happen to the vDISK on XS. That we have a way to simply import a 2TB file to the server, and turn it on.

                            Trying to K.I.S.S

                            😛

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender @DustinB3403
                              last edited by

                              @DustinB3403 said:

                              @Dashrender So if something should happen to the vDISK on XS. That we have a way to simply import a 2TB file to the server, and turn it on.

                              Trying to K.I.S.S

                              😛

                              Can't you get that from the StorageCraft system?

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403
                                last edited by

                                Not effectively (at least with what we have).

                                Fulls currently take over 24 hours to generate when their needed. So fulls are almost never taken.

                                But our system partitions are ignored, besides 2 servers.

                                I want to include everything in the backup process. So everything is protected.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender
                                  last edited by

                                  I'd say your two separate backup solutions aren't very simple. One extra thing that can fail. One extra thing to maintain/mange.

                                  StorageCraft for daily incrementals
                                  and home built solution for weekly fulls.

                                  Maybe StorageCraft can actually create the tapes for you?

                                  I know when I was looking at Backup Exec it could. It would pull incrementals daily, then it could spin down full backups to tape on whatever schedule you wanted. It would create a virtual full backup at that given point in time and that is what was backed up to tape.

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403
                                    last edited by

                                    Incremental changes can be written to local onsite storage, but this doesn't include recovery options for "everything" just the system changes from the past 3 (but should be 7 days).

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @Dashrender
                                      last edited by

                                      @Dashrender said:

                                      and home built solution for weekly fulls.

                                      I might be being mean to NAUBackup, calling it home built.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @DustinB3403
                                        last edited by

                                        @DustinB3403 said:

                                        Fulls currently take over 24 hours to generate when their needed. So fulls are almost never taken.

                                        It takes 24 hours to generate a full backup from StorageCraft? Why? What's the hold up?

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                          last edited by

                                          @Dashrender said:

                                          @DustinB3403 said:

                                          Fulls currently take over 24 hours to generate when their needed. So fulls are almost never taken.

                                          It takes 24 hours to generate a full backup from StorageCraft? Why? What's the hold up?

                                          Yeah, this seems like a major problem. If it takes that long to take a backup, what's the restore process look like?

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                                          • DustinB3403D
                                            DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
                                            last edited by

                                            @scottalanmiller We've never had to perform a full restore thank god.

                                            But I'd imagine that it's awful.

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