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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said:

      @DustinB3403 said:

      Oh I excluded it mistakenly, the full backup by my estimates, performed weekly (and held for a month) would total ~24 TB of space. (rounded for drive sizes)

      What is the delta rate? That is the most important number.

      Exactly, if you go incrementals, can't StorageCraft sync via the WAN to another server? Why bother with the fulls?

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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        @DustinB3403 said:

        Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

        It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said:

          @DustinB3403 said:

          Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

          It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

          Terabyte. Not gigiabytes.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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            @DustinB3403 said:

            I'm uncertain of how to find out. Any recommendations?

            It has to be measured. You need to see how big incrementals are.

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403 @DustinB3403
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              @DustinB3403 said:

              @scottalanmiller said:

              @DustinB3403 said:

              Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

              It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

              Terabyte. Not gigabytes.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                last edited by

                @DustinB3403 said:

                @scottalanmiller said:

                @DustinB3403 said:

                Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

                It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

                Terabyte. Not gigiabytes.

                That's what I meant. Tape is fast, very fast.

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @DustinB3403 said:

                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @DustinB3403 said:

                  Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

                  It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

                  Terabyte. Not gigiabytes.

                  That's what I meant. Tape is fast, very fast.

                  And how would that operate for off-site? Wouldn't someone have to site there changing tapes in and out?

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                    @DustinB3403 said:

                    And how would that operate for off-site? Wouldn't someone have to site there changing tapes in and out?

                    No, you change the tapes locally. You DRIVE the tapes to the offsite. The entire point is to bypass the WAN. Anything using the WAN is going to be a non-option.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @DustinB3403
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                      @DustinB3403 said:

                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      @DustinB3403 said:

                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      @DustinB3403 said:

                      Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

                      It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

                      Terabyte. Not gigiabytes.

                      That's what I meant. Tape is fast, very fast.

                      And how would that operate for off-site? Wouldn't someone have to site there changing tapes in and out?

                      I assume you would find a tape solution that holds a single full backup. Then you just swap the single tape. You said you only do it weekly, so that would be four tapes a month, and someone would have to bring them to the offsite location.

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                      • DustinB3403D
                        DustinB3403
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                        So a local tape solution, carried off weekly.

                        They can't be much heavier than the 22lbs box I take home weekly...

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                          last edited by

                          @DustinB3403 said:

                          So a local tape solution, carried off weekly.

                          They can't be much heavier than the 22lbs box I take home weekly...

                          Right, like far less than a pound 😉

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller
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                            Wouldn't you carry off daily?

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                            • DustinB3403D
                              DustinB3403
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                              Any recommendations on a product that can hold this. I haven't used any tapes in my experience.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller
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                                Do disk to disk to tape. Disk backup kept onsite. Tape taken offsite.

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                                • DustinB3403D
                                  DustinB3403
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                                  Daily incrementals could be performed to a colo (or online storage service) easily enough. It's the fulls that would have to be run weekly.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                                    @DustinB3403 said:

                                    Any recommendations on a product that can hold this. I haven't used any tapes in my experience.

                                    Any WILL hold it, it just takes more tapes the bigger it gets. You would determine your tape technology choice off of your delta rate, not your full rate.

                                    LTO is the tape technology you would use. Which model, LTO 3, LTO 4 or LTO 5 (or the upcoming LTO 6) would be what you need to choose.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller
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                                      You will want an automated tape library, of course.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller
                                        last edited by

                                        Why is the backup SO large?

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403
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                                          Total space for our current server fleet (all inclusive, 😄 drives and shares) is almost 6TB.

                                          So in trying to create a reliable way to backup everything, in full and hold it for a month we'd need 24TB of space. Cycled monthly. Ideally I'd like to avoid having to go through 100 or 200 tapes.

                                          Even 10 seems like a lot to manage.

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                                          • DustinB3403D
                                            DustinB3403
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                                            1 Tape per week that can hold 8TB (for growth) of space by it's self would be a good option. But do they exist? I'm inexperienced with tape backup solutions.

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