Can anyone recommend a job for me?
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@coliver Schools & Libraries
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At seventeen computer jobs are tough to get but possible. Are you looking to pay some bills or to get a career underway? Doing some intern or volunteer work can get you a long way very quickly if you are able to get it.
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First Welcome to our community!
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What are your IT goals? What kind of work do you see yourself wanting to do once you are solidly into the industry?
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@coliver said:
Just a general suggestion. Find an internship if you can.
It is also true work experience to put on the resume for the job search down the road.
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I agree,.. finding an internship can be rewarding. Another option is to find a decent Non Profit organization in your area that has an IT department and volunteer. The two NPOs that I worked for, I was the only IT staff, I could have used the help. You can get a decent amount of exposure there.
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I happen to know an IT company looking for Interns
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I'm based out of Western Pennsylvania in the US around the Indiana Area. I actually have some career shadowing experience through a local college. I got to work with the network analyst for about 25 hours. I'm right now looking for a computer support job like a repair technician just to get some extra money and experience under my belt. I feel like right now I want to be a Network/Security administrator but I would still like working on computer hardware a bit more. I like more of the hands on stuff
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@jamesrudnik said:
I'm based out of Western Pennsylvania in the US around the Indiana Area. I actually have some career shadowing experience through a local college. I got to work with the network analyst for about 25 hours. I'm right now looking for a computer support job like a repair technician just to get some extra money and experience under my belt. I feel like right now I want to be a Network/Security administrator but I would still like working on computer hardware a bit more. I like more of the hands on stuff
Small world. My wife is from that area as well. Let me see if I can't come up with some names for some local (to you) companies that are looking for an intern.
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@coliver Thanks I look forward to it
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Just a career FYI, everyone wants to be a security person and effectively there are no jobs in that field and what few there are don't plan to be that and fall into it late in their careers. Don't plan for a security job, that field, if you can even call it that, is dramatically over saturated.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Just a career FYI, everyone wants to be a security person and effectively there are no jobs in that field and what few there are don't plan to be that and fall into it late in their careers. Don't plan for a security job, that field, if you can even call it that, is dramatically over saturated.
I wasn't aware of that. I was on ONET around the brginning of September and it said it had a bright outlook and that there would be a large amount of jobs opening. Thanks for the info then
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@jamesrudnik said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Just a career FYI, everyone wants to be a security person and effectively there are no jobs in that field and what few there are don't plan to be that and fall into it late in their careers. Don't plan for a security job, that field, if you can even call it that, is dramatically over saturated.
I wasn't aware of that. I was on ONET around the brginning of September and it said it had a bright outlook and that there would be a large amount of jobs opening. Thanks for the info then
There have been groups saying that a large number of security jobs are going to be opening for the last decade or more. I haven't seen any new ones. My friend is a "security" guy. He contracts with a bunch of 3 letter agencies. It took him the past decade to get into the field and he more fell into it then anything else.
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Everyone says that, but never IT people. It's the hot new term that non-technical people understand so it gets repeated constantly. They assume it's a cool, needed job and so it seems reasonable to repeat even though they aren't sure what that job would do.
Will there be more openings in the futures? Sure. Is every person interested in IT trying to get those jobs? Yes. So the ratio of available jobs is the worst of any tech job category.
Once teachers and professors start talking about a job it is time to avoid it.
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@coliver said:
@jamesrudnik said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Just a career FYI, everyone wants to be a security person and effectively there are no jobs in that field and what few there are don't plan to be that and fall into it late in their careers. Don't plan for a security job, that field, if you can even call it that, is dramatically over saturated.
I wasn't aware of that. I was on ONET around the brginning of September and it said it had a bright outlook and that there would be a large amount of jobs opening. Thanks for the info then
There have been groups saying that a large number of security jobs are going to be opening for the last decade or more. I haven't seen any new ones. My friend is a "security" guy. He contracts with a bunch of 3 letter agencies. It took him the past decade to get into the field and he more fell into it then anything else.
We have several people in the community here who have been offered six and seven figure security gigs. None of us because of security training. All just because of general experience. I've worked in a lot of industries, some more into security than the three letter agencies, and the security people are few and far between.
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Oh wow. I guess when you mention the ratio and all that it does make sense. I may look into it further down the road but as it stands now, with my experience, I won't be able to come close to Security admin for a while.
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@jamesrudnik said:
Oh wow. I guess when you mention the ratio and all that it does make sense. I may look into it further down the road but as it stands now, with my experience, I won't be able to come close to Security admin for a while.
Assume even talking about those jobs is ten years out.
A handy life lesson is that any job being promoted by people who are not in the field and successful in it are jobs you do not want. It means that something has hit the "Hollywood" line and now uneducated and clueless people are talking about it. Girls tend to be affected by this tons more than boys for whatever reason, but everyone is affected. What happens is that a career either becomes "cool" enough or, more often, an easily understood field ends up short on people in it resulting in empty positions and high salaries. People who don't understand the economy like high school teachers especially (and parents) see news items or hear rumours that there aren't enough teachers, nurses, security professionals and then, overnight, they start to push everyone and anyone into that field with promises of unlimited job options, high salary, low education requirements, etc.
Of course, almost overnight colleges go from empty nursing classes to full ones and instead of a field that was 5% short on filling the needed jobs it is now 100% over stocked and half of all trained nurses have nowhere to work. So to make themselves eligible for work, they go back to school costing themselves more money and "upping the ante" for everyone. Soon it takes a Master's Degree and massive personal debt to get into a job that didn't require a degree at all ten years before and instead of making big money the pay is pretty bad because there is always someone else willing to do your job for less since otherwise they are out of work.
So think about the context of who is promoting jobs. Teachers have never worked in the field, their input is nearly the worst that you can get.
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You bring up a very valid point. It makes a lot of sense when put that way
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Conversely, the jobs that teachers steer everyone away from are the ones that will naturally be good to work in. Schools and universities have told people not to go into IT for years, and IT can't hire enough people driving the prices higher and making jobs easier to get. Sadly this has left us with a field that is constantly hiring people who can't do the jobs at all, but the people who really can get rewarded significantly.
