i put myself in a big problem
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@IT-ADMIN said:
beside from my situation i have a question :
let's suppose that i have i licensed physical windows server 2008 R2, in which i have some application and some SQL instances, if i P2V, is the VM i get will have the same license key?
i'm confused regarding licenses when it come to virtualizationIt has nothing to do with virtualization. The problem is that you will be moving to new hardware, you will have the same issue if your hardware fails and you have to replace it. Any major change of hardware, including virtualizing, will cause the operating system to have to verify again. So had they virtualized originally you would have been protected, but since they did not they have decided on having yet another risk that they are not aware of - they can't restore even if they had a backup because the license will never work anywhere.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
i guess for this to work only one machine should be online (P or V not both otherwise i get blacklisted by microsoft) am i right ?????
You are already blacklisted by Microsoft. What are you afraid will happen?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
i guess for this to work only one machine should be online (P or V not both otherwise i get blacklisted by microsoft) am i right ?????
You are already blacklisted by Microsoft. What are you afraid will happen?
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no the 2 server now is activated and has a product ID and it show that it is genuine but how, we don't know
the guy who sold us the 2 DELL poweredge, he installed windows server 2008 R2, but he didn't give us the license key,
there is a method to crack the windows server and still microsoft is unaware of
i know that this maybe a bit weird to US people but in other part of the world this is happening -
We have two issues here. One is ethics and companies in other countries doing this stuff is one of the reasons that Americans and Europeans often fear doing business with Asia and the Middle East - if people are willing to steal blatantly from Microsoft why would they not steal from us? It makes us culturally afraid of doing business with those regions if there are not really strong controls protecting us from people who are openly willing to steal as long as they can get away with it (not that many Americans will not steal too, but we turn them in and they pay fees for that stuff.) The ethics gap is huge and the Western world often attributes the Western wealth and affluence to this as a key factor. Being able to trust people that you meet is a big deal.
The other is legal issues. Here we are audited regularly and the fines for stealing software are huge. The risk is very high and any employee can turn you in if they know (or just suspect) that you have been stealing software. So you'd have to be completely crazy to do it in the US if you don't 100% trust that everyone that works for you won't tell - and that makes no sense because why would you be able to trust people whose common factor is they they are willing to steal things?
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There is a third factor as well - and that is the impression of the business. To an American you don't really work for a business, you work for a couple of kids playing around with pretending to run a company. They don't treat the "business" that you work for as seriously as American or European (or Nicaraguan in my case) IT pros take themselves. I own more, better servers and legally own more and better software than the "company" that you work for has. I use good RAID, take backups, have failover, all my software is up to date, etc. And fully licensed.
It's very hard for a company to compete when they don't see themselves as a real business in any way and even harder when the companies that they want to do business with laugh at them and see them as kids playing rather than adults running a business.
You'd be surprised what a big factor it is when you can't really take one of the parties seriously.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
the guy who sold us the 2 DELL poweredge, he installed windows server 2008 R2, but he didn't give us the license key,
there is a method to crack the windows server and still microsoft is unaware ofThere is likely a way but it is not something that I know anything about. Microsoft is getting better and better at making this very hard to do, but you are running two generations old so the chances that you can get it to work are better than if you were current.
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but you have to know something the big majority of private sector are doing the same thing (i'm not saying that it is legal just because everybody doing it but i'm telling what is happening) including license of SQL server, widows server, windows 7, photoshop, Visual studio,
the big majority i say
and even the guy that sold us those server is a computer provider so he is doing the same thing with multiple businesses
what i mean is: even if i change the job about 75 % i will face the same issue (piracy) -
@IT-ADMIN said:
but you have to know something the big majority of private sector are doing the same thing (i'm not saying that it is legal just because everybody doing it but i'm telling what is happening) including license of SQL server, widows server, windows 7, photoshop, Visual studio,
We do know that and that is why we fear companies from those regions - they can't be trusted. That it is legal is only rarely understood here because "stealing from us" never sounds like something legal. I realize that it is legal, but likewise people in those regions need to understand that the average American, as an example, has some money invested in Microsoft and anytime you say that people do this, what you are essentially saying is that businesses in your region are stealing from us, personally. Legal or not, it is still theft. And a direct financial attack on people in our region. So companies doing that don't just hurt companies here, it is a willingness to be both embarrassing poor and outright offensive both to anyone with a financial interest in Microsoft as well as to people who work on the honest side of IT who have their profession belittled. It's not a "small thing." It is actually a really big deal. For someone from the west to do these things would be outright embarrassing. We would feel like failures.
I think nearly everyone knows that companies in the Middle East do not respect the companies making the software, respect IT as professionals, etc. It's not a surprise. The natural result is that western companies don't view companies like that as peers or equals or even as legitimate businesses. It's like seeing kids on the side of the road with lemonaid stands, we think it is cute but we know the difference between a real business and kids pretending to run a business.
If companies there want to be thought of as real businesses, they would need to behave like them. It's purely their choice, no one is making them treat themselves as lesser entities, they just legally can so choose to do so.
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and what makes business owner fall into this illegal act, this kind of stupid guys who sell computers and servers, they profit the ignorance of those owners who don't know the risk of running cracked version and tell them look : the price of windows server 2008 R2 only will cost you for example 1000 $ (for example i dont know the price) and the price of the all server with windows built-in is 3000 $ and without windows is 2900 $, so the stupid ignorant owner make a stupid calculation 2900+1000 is bigger than 3000 so i will just buy the server who has windows in it
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@IT-ADMIN said:
and even the guy that sold us those server is a computer provider so he is doing the same thing with multiple businesses
We have people like him here too. They are called pirates and if caught, they go to jail. Stealing stuff makes a lot of money. And not just from the people that they steal from directly but from everyone that invests in that business, from people who work in that industry (like you) and others. The impact is much larger than people often picture.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
what i mean is: even if i change the job about 75 % i will face the same issue (piracy)
Understood and no one is blaming you for the behaviour. It just is what it is. You are a victim too - this piracy makes it far harder for you to do your job effectively and in a way that will help you move onto successful "real" companies. You are being cheated just like the rest of us.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
and what makes business owner fall into this illegal act
Not illegal, unethical. Not the same thing. Most people, at least in the west, are fine with breaking the law as long as it is ethical. If the law doesn't support ethics, it is bad and should not be obeyed.
In this case, the law allows something that is unethical. That a law is needed to stop it is sad, but that is the case. But that it is legal doesn't change its ethics in any way.
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Companies in your country (your adopted country) doing this don't just hurt Americans or Europeans or IT pros either, they also make it harder for the rare ethical company in your country to do business. It makes western companies scared of any business there, not just those breaching ethics, because they have a hard time knowing who to trust. Once there is a culture of dishonest, unethical behaviour serious businesses start to shy away from working in the region. It hurts every member of that society. It's an affront to the citizenry.
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yes you are right
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we go far away from the main subject, let us returning back
i told you that the windows server is genuine and not blacklisted by microsoft, we do not know the how but technically it is genuine, so in this case can i P2V or not,
you know what is my fear ? my fear is when i P2V the physical server will be technically blacklisted, this is the main question Dear Scott -
This is one of the reasons that we are so happy when we see countries where concerns like this have traditionally been high, like China and India, making moves to adopt Linux even when Windows could be "free" for them. That is the same kind of decision that western companies have to make. We can attempt to steal Windows, we can pay for Windows, we can pay for Mac or we can use Linux or FreeBSD completely for free! There are free options for everyone, that someone would rather steal something rather than using something that someone is offering for free doesn't go over well.
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@scottalanmiller said:
They don't treat the "business" that you work for as seriously as American or European (or Nicaraguan in my case)
That's the first time anyone ever referred to Latin America as "serious" in business. The work ethic of Latin America, besides the lowest level of worker, is horrible. It was like pulling teeth to get things done in Costa Rica when I was running Vegas Club Room. And then we start mentioning South, especially Brazil, holy f[moderated]!
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@PSX_Defector said:
@scottalanmiller said:
They don't treat the "business" that you work for as seriously as American or European (or Nicaraguan in my case)
That's the first time anyone ever referred to Latin America as "serious" in business. The work ethic of Latin America, besides the lowest level of worker, is horrible. It was like pulling teeth to get things done in Costa Rica when I was running Vegas Club Room. And then we start mentioning South, especially Brazil, holy f[moderated]!
Costa Rica has a reputation for work issues even in Central America, I would not use that as the standard. I've not seem similar issues in Panama, for example. Nicaragua I am still getting to know.
