When will SATA Be dead?
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spin off of: http://mangolassi.it/topic/8587/external-drive-raid/15
When will SATA be dead in favor of all PCIE or Thunderbolt being directly on the drives? You'd think SSDs would be driving this more than they have been.
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I don't think this will happen anytime soon.
Is the bottle neck still at the drives?
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@Dashrender said:
I don't think this will happen anytime soon.
Is the bottle neck still at the drives?
I think so. Last I heard the transfer rate was still 1.5-2.0GB.
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
I don't think this will happen anytime soon.
Is the bottle neck still at the drives?
I think so. Last I heard the transfer rate was still 1.5-2.0GB.
Problem is that's for the overall controller. but with SSDs you easily can over saturate the controller.
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@Jason said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
I don't think this will happen anytime soon.
Is the bottle neck still at the drives?
I think so. Last I heard the transfer rate was still 1.5-2.0GB.
Problem is that's for the overall controller. but with SSDs you easily can over saturate the controller.
I can see this being a problem on a server, but on a normal end user's PC? this is a non-issue. If you're building a power house for something, video editing, large number crunching, etc.. then you're already not using SATA and instead using PCIe. So getting rid of SATA doesn't seem that important.
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@Dashrender said:
@Jason said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
I don't think this will happen anytime soon.
Is the bottle neck still at the drives?
I think so. Last I heard the transfer rate was still 1.5-2.0GB.
Problem is that's for the overall controller. but with SSDs you easily can over saturate the controller.
I can see this being a problem on a server, but on a normal end user's PC? this is a non-issue. If you're building a power house for something, video editing, large number crunching, etc.. then you're already not using SATA and instead using PCIe. So getting rid of SATA doesn't seem that important.
And m.2 is out now too.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@Jason said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
I don't think this will happen anytime soon.
Is the bottle neck still at the drives?
I think so. Last I heard the transfer rate was still 1.5-2.0GB.
Problem is that's for the overall controller. but with SSDs you easily can over saturate the controller.
I can see this being a problem on a server, but on a normal end user's PC? this is a non-issue. If you're building a power house for something, video editing, large number crunching, etc.. then you're already not using SATA and instead using PCIe. So getting rid of SATA doesn't seem that important.
And m.2 is out now too.
How long until we see that on typical business machines?
m.2 is not new - It looks like it runs both SATA and NVMe, what I haven't read enough yet to know, is it both at the same time, or more accuately, can the BIOS/UEFI choose which it will behave as?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@Jason said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
I don't think this will happen anytime soon.
Is the bottle neck still at the drives?
I think so. Last I heard the transfer rate was still 1.5-2.0GB.
Problem is that's for the overall controller. but with SSDs you easily can over saturate the controller.
I can see this being a problem on a server, but on a normal end user's PC? this is a non-issue. If you're building a power house for something, video editing, large number crunching, etc.. then you're already not using SATA and instead using PCIe. So getting rid of SATA doesn't seem that important.
And m.2 is out now too.
How long until we see that on typical business machines?
m.2 is not new - It looks like it runs both SATA and NVMe, what I haven't read enough yet to know, is it both at the same time, or more accuately, can the BIOS/UEFI choose which it will behave as?
Only a few boards are out now that support m.2 NVMe
Over 90% are still the m.2 SATA. I forget what the limiting factor is, they're both m.2, so the connector should be the same. My guess is that SATA goes through a SATA controller while NVMe will just be tied directly to PCIe lanes. We also get the fun of juggling what PCIe lanes are available. Have 2 m.2 slots both filled, that 4x PCIe connector is probably now disabled. -
@travisdh1 said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@Jason said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
I don't think this will happen anytime soon.
Is the bottle neck still at the drives?
I think so. Last I heard the transfer rate was still 1.5-2.0GB.
Problem is that's for the overall controller. but with SSDs you easily can over saturate the controller.
I can see this being a problem on a server, but on a normal end user's PC? this is a non-issue. If you're building a power house for something, video editing, large number crunching, etc.. then you're already not using SATA and instead using PCIe. So getting rid of SATA doesn't seem that important.
And m.2 is out now too.
How long until we see that on typical business machines?
m.2 is not new - It looks like it runs both SATA and NVMe, what I haven't read enough yet to know, is it both at the same time, or more accuately, can the BIOS/UEFI choose which it will behave as?
Only a few boards are out now that support m.2 NVMe
Over 90% are still the m.2 SATA. I forget what the limiting factor is, they're both m.2, so the connector should be the same. My guess is that SATA goes through a SATA controller while NVMe will just be tied directly to PCIe lanes. We also get the fun of juggling what PCIe lanes are available. Have 2 m.2 slots both filled, that 4x PCIe connector is probably now disabled.Correct as far as I know. Instead of disabling it usually drops the speed of the connector. You'll rarely see dual M2 with dual graphics cards because there's just physically not enough PCIe lanes and it'll bottle neck one or the other.
Prediction: 2017/18 will bring an Intel chip with 64+ lanes and this will not be an issue.
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@MattSpeller said:
Prediction: 2017/18 will bring an Intel chip with 64+ lanes and this will not be an issue.
I think so too.
I think Thunderbolt will be the best physical interface rather than the current PCIE form factors too. Mainly it allows the flexiablity like SATA with greater throughput. It would allow you to use cables (internal or external) and could plug into a blackplane once the layout of the drives are standarized. And could even allow dasiy chaining.
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@Jason said:
@MattSpeller said:
Prediction: 2017/18 will bring an Intel chip with 64+ lanes and this will not be an issue.
I think so too.
I think Thunderbolt will be the best physical interface rather than the current PCIE form factors too. Mainly it allows the flexiablity like SATA with greater throughput. It would allow you to use cables (internal or external) and could plug into a blackplane once the layout of the drives are standarized. And could even allow dasiy chaining.
eyeroll
Go design a kick ass widget and put a thunderbolt connector on it, then see what it costs to license.
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@MattSpeller said:
@Jason said:
@MattSpeller said:
Prediction: 2017/18 will bring an Intel chip with 64+ lanes and this will not be an issue.
I think so too.
I think Thunderbolt will be the best physical interface rather than the current PCIE form factors too. Mainly it allows the flexiablity like SATA with greater throughput. It would allow you to use cables (internal or external) and could plug into a blackplane once the layout of the drives are standarized. And could even allow dasiy chaining.
eyeroll
Go design a kick ass widget and put a thunderbolt connector on it, then see what it costs to license.
Hopefuly Intel will ditch the licesning costs at some point.. No other interface is doing that. They are just killing it doing that.
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@MattSpeller said:
@Jason said:
@MattSpeller said:
Prediction: 2017/18 will bring an Intel chip with 64+ lanes and this will not be an issue.
I think so too.
I think Thunderbolt will be the best physical interface rather than the current PCIE form factors too. Mainly it allows the flexiablity like SATA with greater throughput. It would allow you to use cables (internal or external) and could plug into a blackplane once the layout of the drives are standarized. And could even allow dasiy chaining.
eyeroll
Go design a kick ass widget and put a thunderbolt connector on it, then see what it costs to license.
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@Jason said:
@MattSpeller said:
@Jason said:
@MattSpeller said:
Prediction: 2017/18 will bring an Intel chip with 64+ lanes and this will not be an issue.
I think so too.
I think Thunderbolt will be the best physical interface rather than the current PCIE form factors too. Mainly it allows the flexiablity like SATA with greater throughput. It would allow you to use cables (internal or external) and could plug into a blackplane once the layout of the drives are standarized. And could even allow dasiy chaining.
eyeroll
Go design a kick ass widget and put a thunderbolt connector on it, then see what it costs to license.
Hopefuly Intel will ditch the licesning costs at some point.. No other interface is doing that. They are just killing it doing that.
No way, Intel doesn't work that way.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
@MattSpeller said:
@Jason said:
@MattSpeller said:
Prediction: 2017/18 will bring an Intel chip with 64+ lanes and this will not be an issue.
I think so too.
I think Thunderbolt will be the best physical interface rather than the current PCIE form factors too. Mainly it allows the flexiablity like SATA with greater throughput. It would allow you to use cables (internal or external) and could plug into a blackplane once the layout of the drives are standarized. And could even allow dasiy chaining.
eyeroll
Go design a kick ass widget and put a thunderbolt connector on it, then see what it costs to license.
Hopefuly Intel will ditch the licesning costs at some point.. No other interface is doing that. They are just killing it doing that.
No way, Intel doesn't work that way.
would that I had more than one upvote to give
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
@MattSpeller said:
@Jason said:
@MattSpeller said:
Prediction: 2017/18 will bring an Intel chip with 64+ lanes and this will not be an issue.
I think so too.
I think Thunderbolt will be the best physical interface rather than the current PCIE form factors too. Mainly it allows the flexiablity like SATA with greater throughput. It would allow you to use cables (internal or external) and could plug into a blackplane once the layout of the drives are standarized. And could even allow dasiy chaining.
eyeroll
Go design a kick ass widget and put a thunderbolt connector on it, then see what it costs to license.
Hopefuly Intel will ditch the licesning costs at some point.. No other interface is doing that. They are just killing it doing that.
No way, Intel doesn't work that way.
Here Comes AMD LightingBolt..
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@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
@MattSpeller said:
@Jason said:
@MattSpeller said:
Prediction: 2017/18 will bring an Intel chip with 64+ lanes and this will not be an issue.
I think so too.
I think Thunderbolt will be the best physical interface rather than the current PCIE form factors too. Mainly it allows the flexiablity like SATA with greater throughput. It would allow you to use cables (internal or external) and could plug into a blackplane once the layout of the drives are standarized. And could even allow dasiy chaining.
eyeroll
Go design a kick ass widget and put a thunderbolt connector on it, then see what it costs to license.
Hopefuly Intel will ditch the licesning costs at some point.. No other interface is doing that. They are just killing it doing that.
No way, Intel doesn't work that way.
Here Comes AMD LightingBolt..
Bahaah.. it's already here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DockPort
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@Jason said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Jason said:
@MattSpeller said:
@Jason said:
@MattSpeller said:
Prediction: 2017/18 will bring an Intel chip with 64+ lanes and this will not be an issue.
I think so too.
I think Thunderbolt will be the best physical interface rather than the current PCIE form factors too. Mainly it allows the flexiablity like SATA with greater throughput. It would allow you to use cables (internal or external) and could plug into a blackplane once the layout of the drives are standarized. And could even allow dasiy chaining.
eyeroll
Go design a kick ass widget and put a thunderbolt connector on it, then see what it costs to license.
Hopefuly Intel will ditch the licesning costs at some point.. No other interface is doing that. They are just killing it doing that.
No way, Intel doesn't work that way.
Here Comes AMD LightingBolt..
Apparently not
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